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Can't religion and evolution be merged as one?

PastorClark

Agnostic Christain
You're definition of faith has been corrupted by religious folks. The original word Faith has lost its meaning over the years since its been invented.

The original word faith means trust or to trust. You're definition of faith is blind faith which is weak faith. which was taken by religious leaders for their own agenda.
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
You're definition of faith has been corrupted by religious folks. The original word Faith has lost its meaning over the years since its been invented.

The original word faith means trust or to trust. You're definition of faith is blind faith which is weak faith. which was taken by religious leaders for their own agenda.

All language moves. But suffice to say what I trust is scientific method as a means of determining things based on empirical evidence. I don't necessarily trust every answer that method comes up with in the same manner.
 

PastorClark

Agnostic Christain
All language moves. But suffice to say what I trust is scientific method as a means of determining things based on empirical evidence. I don't necessarily trust every answer that method comes up with in the same manner.


languages don't necessarily move, humans like taking words and changing their meanings

The word empirical means many things but it mainly means experience. And I've experienced that there is some higher being in the universe. and if you ask you shall receive.(prayer) But you can't always rely on science, hell you can't rely on a lot of things. All i'm saying weather you like it or not, you're putting faith in just about everything we do. If we didn't we wouldn't be where we are today.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
languages don't necessarily move, humans like taking words and changing their meanings

The word empirical means many things but it mainly means experience. And I've experienced that there is some higher being in the universe. and if you ask you shall receive.(prayer) But you can't always rely on science, hell you can't rely on a lot of things. All i'm saying weather you like it or not, you're putting faith in just about everything we do. If we didn't we wouldn't be where we are today.

Honestly, it's not that important. But language does necessarily move. Read Shakespeare and contrast it to modern usage. It's kinda a hobby-horse, so I apologize. I used to lecture in English Language development...only for a very short time, but it's an interest.

I'd argue with your definition of empirical, as well, since I think it needs to be observable.

If by faith you mean trust, then sure. We have to trust things around us, and not doing so is counter-productive. The manner in which people determine what they should trust differs.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Irelandrulz2 said:
So people say either God made the universe, or the universe made the universe.

Well can't in fact there be a God, and yet the universe made the universe.
So in this instance, lets imagine that God made the big bang or whatever made the universe.

I don't mean to be so picky, but is this topic about the universe and the Big Bang, or is it about evolution.

Evolution is biology, and has more to do with life that already exist. The universe is not about life, but about the stars and galaxies, and the Big Bang is about the early universe. They are actually two different subjects.

And furthermore, evolution is about biological changes or biodiversity of life that existed, it is not about the origin of the FIRST LIFE. Science dealing with origin of life is called Abiogenesis, not evolution.

As to your question.

Science is about investigating and understanding anything, through observation, evidence or testing; it deal with natural phenomenon (or anything man-made).

God cannot be observed, tested, and there are no evidences to support his existence. You can believe what you believe, but without evidences, I find it pretty doubtful that god had anything to do with the universe, let alone its creation...but you can still believe whatever you want, as long as you know it is matter of your opinion and your faith.
 
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John Martin

Active Member
Believe in all religion then that will fixed the conflicts of evolution.

You're putting faith in someone telling you that God doesn't exist.
You're putting faith in someone telling you that God does exist.
You're putting faith in scientist telling you that evolution is a fact.
You're putting faith in scientist telling you that big bang is a fact.
You're putting faith in scientist telling you that something is a fact.

Faith means trust which is making you to trust our scientist that they are telling us the truth.

Men and women has been corrupting religion and science and many other things since the beginning of humankind. The bible has been corrupted to fit people views and some of our history books has been corrupted to make things look way more worse then it is. Hell look at our news media its so bias towards everything is hard to even watch.

Oh by the way does anyone really know what year we are in. Because 2013 doesn't really add up.

The word faith has different layers of meaning: Faith can mean a belief, believing in God, believing in something.
Faith can also mean trust: To say I have faith in someone means to trust that person. Let us say I give some valuables to someone to keep and I say that I trust this person.It means that this person does not do harm to me.
per example when I got into the bus I trust that the driver is the real driver and he knows how to drive and I am in the safe hands. Without that trust I cannot enter into the bus.
Faith also means trusting in the providence of God. God told Abraham to leave everything and go the place which he will shows. Abraham trusted that he left everything made his journey without knowing where he was going.
Faith also means complete surrender of oneself in the deep mystical experience of God, in which a persons ego comes to an end and enters into the presence of God and says, 'I am in God and God in me'.
So there are different layers of meanings to the word 'faith'. When people believe in certain concepts,it is not faith but only belief: Christian belief, Hindu belief, Islamic belief, Buddhist belief. Belief creates an ego, an identity that separates one from others. Deep faith is the end of the ego,end of beliefs, opens one to discover one's unity with everyone.
 
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Vadergirl123

Active Member
So people say either God made the universe, or the universe made the universe.

Well can't in fact there be a God, and yet the universe made the universe.
So in this instance, lets imagine that God made the big bang or whatever made the universe. Then from then on with Gods help we evolutionism into what we are now?

This is my personally opinion and I look forward to replies from fellow religious people.
There are people out there with that viewpoint, I'm personally not one though
 

jmn

Member
The only thing religion, and evolution have in common, are religion being a conceptual byproduct of evolution. That's it though
 

StarryNightshade

Spiritually confused Jew
Premium Member
Of course it is possible. Anyone can believe what they wish. However, it would take concrete evidence to otherwise "prove" it to be true.
 
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