Capitalism and Spirituality

[Revoltingest]

love of self and love of all as self are still forms of love. they are allowed. but like trump, that love of self can only profit some blow back. he who sows the wind, reaps the whirlwind.

I don't understand this either.
But I'll state that Trump is a self obsessed thug.

 

[Revoltingest]

And that’s why I’m not sure what it is that you were asking about capitalism and spirituality.

I wasn't asking.

 

[osgart]

Capitalism doesn't account for those who are poor, disabled and homeless. Capitalism doesn't afford people the time to help other people freely. Yet it's still a necessity of the human condition and nature.

Capitalism must be preserved. Capitalism alone is going to run our planet into the ground. Other systems along side of capitalism need to be invented. Also it needs fair rules regulations.

Greed is a major effect of capitalism. Hazardous growth is another poison to the environment because of Capitalism. It also affords people freedoms though. I don't think as of yet capitalism has found its rightful place in the spiritual health of those who live under that system. It's not the answer to everything and everyone.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

jesus uses this idea with the parable of the talents. this kind of lends itself to the idea of meritocracy. basically a guardian/parent in relationship to it's wards

The Baha'i electoral process is based 100% on the merit of the individual, but without any attempt of praise or reward. We are to look at the person's abilities and attributes when making a choice. There is absolutely no canvassing for votes.

I do wonder if our future governments will adopt such an approach, as sometimes the best leaders are those that do not want to lead.

How can that potentially effect our capitalistic outlook? Well maybe we will have leaders more inclined to think of the good of all people, who have no inclination to wage war!

Regards Tony

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

I wasn't asking.

I know, @Revoltingest. That comment was to @Fool

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[Revoltingest]

I know, @Revoltingest. That comment was to @Fool

Humbly,
Hermit

I'm easily confused.

 

[Fool]

That sure doesn't describe the Amish
I've run into & know of. They individually
buy & own farms & business assets.

As for their social ills, I've no comment

I stand corrected. I assumed they were like the hutterites. who are also anabaptists

 

[Revoltingest]

I stand corrected. I assumed they were like the hutterites. who are also anabaptists

I'm not sure if I know any of those.
I also run across many people who appear
sort of Amish, but are something other,
eg, Mennonite. I know far less of them.

 

[Fool]

I don't understand this either.
But I'll state that Trump is a self obsessed thug.

love of self is still a form of love. also a mental/spiritual state

 

[Fool]

I'm not sure if I know any of those.
I also run across many people who appear
sort of Amish, but are something other,
eg, Mennonite. I know far less of them.

originally they were all anabaptists. then they basically split into 3 orders. the hutterites are less known.

 

[Revoltingest]

love of self is still a form of love. also a mental/spiritual state

Trump does indeed have a mental state.

 

[Revoltingest]

originally they were all anabaptists. then they basically split into 3 orders. the hutterites are less known.

They're all quite exotic to me.

 

[Audie]

love of self is still a form of love. also a mental/spiritual state

Self indulgence is a form of love?
You can't get more self infulgent than
some of our "spititual" people and their single
minded inner quest.

Some love that is

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Your socialism & communism are as spiritual as....

That is the only successful example of communism that I have yet to find.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Self indulgence is a form of love?
You can't get more self infulgent than
some of our "spititual" people and their single
minded inner quest.

Some love that is

Now this idea intrigues me. And that some seem to express it at levels consistent with the qualities of addiction might make it problematic for a wider audience.

 

[Ella S.]

you can't love someone who is in need and make a profit off of the poor. are you going to haggle over a price in order to save a drowning person?

Not all capitalists would rationalize letting people starve to death because they aren't profitable enough to the system to earn the money needed to buy food. Only the absolute scummiest ones would and those tend to have much deeper issues with morality that capitalism is just a convenient excuse for.

Capitalists can just as easily be philanthropists who place value in human life and willingly donate their excess profit to improve the quality of life of others.

 

[PureX]

love of self is still a type of love. love of one's family is still a type of love; but obviously that love only lasts in relationship to what is believed to be a limited self. unconditional love goes beyond that? but capitalism is a love for empowering self more than other as self? a constant war maybe? even at odds with their "belief" in their god but money is preferred in actuality?

Love of self at the expense of the well being of others is not love. It's just selfishness pretending to be love.

 

[PureX]

Capitalism has no necessary correlation to spirituality.
Though a capitalist can usually be more spiritual than they would be in a socialist economy.

Certainly there exists plenty of websites that show how spiritualism can thrive in a capitalist economy.
Not so much in a socialist economy since religious thinking usually ends up being criminalized.

I suppose socialist ideology doesn't like the competition.

Or perhaps you just refuse to recognize the difference between dictatorships calling themselves socialism and actual socialism. As all loyal capitalists must do.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

See the efforts to stamp out all
or most religion in Russia, China,
North Korea.....

It thrives excessively in capitalist usa

neither Russia nor China support communism as their economic system. Both have largely embraced Capitalism. however both maintain centralised authority over the economy and industry. This is not much different to the USA which controls industry and investment in many ways including the "entity list system" which has caused billions of losses to the "Chip" industry.

Religion is nominally free in the west, and has from the earliest days tried to control the moral and ethical face of society. it has been an essential tool of the establishment, with fingers in every pie.

Governments in the west also control Finance and industry through laws, government departments and central banks. there is very little real difference between the two systems. they would be largely interchangeable.

 

[Audie]

Or perhaps you just refuse to recognize the difference between dictatorships calling themselves socialism and actual socialism. As all loyal capitalists do.

Perhaps you are just being snippy and havd to think up
petty garbage for lack of anything real to criticize