Capitalism or socialism??

[nnmartin]

or how about the business owner that pays very low wages and is also landlord to his workers, and so gets all his wages back in rent.

sounds like servitude to me!

it's time for a salary cap and nationalisation of all major industries.

 

[1137]

Friend DoP,

In view of your statement:
It means you consider your self to be outside as from the second statement:

The words *these people* makes it appears that you are surviving in a way different from other humans??
So just asked for clarification; if have wrongly understood or the meaning of the words were different and that was................

Love & rgds

Same physical way, different mental way.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

 

[no-body]

A mixture of the two is best.

As for the gospels they advocate a type of theocratic socialism.

 

[Vultar]

Each systems has weaknesses.
In capitalism US style many people have 3 crappy jobs but do not earn enough to pay for health insurance - while others make millions by doing nothing but manipulating the market & speculating in the working power
of those people who have 3 crappy jobs and still are unable to afford health insurance.

I fully agree... unfortunately, all systems will have major flaws as some people will always want more no matter how good they have it.

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If I wanted followers, I would have joined Twitter

 

[Revoltingest]

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

I once worked as a sexton at a Methodist church. (Yes, I really did.)
The ministers there had a view similar to yours.
They'd toss the collection plate's daily offerings up toward Heaven.
Whatever God wanted, he'd keep.
Whatever fell back down was theirs.

 

[Straw Dog]

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

Caesar is dead.

 

[Gomeza]

When it is considered that the only successful practical applications of socialist philosophies throughout human history have been enveloped within another system of governance, it simply cannot be stated that it is somehow a workable governing system, let alone a better system than capitalism. Socialism utilized to manage or distribute limited resources within a democratic framework on the other hand, can be far more efficient than capitalism (i.e. public libraries etc.).

There are of course examples where capitalism fails miserably in that as an all encompassing framework, it will inevitably reduce human life to a dollar value. The US health care system is one such example.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

We all know a capitalist system gives rise to greed, oppression, and inhumane actions; and so cooperating with God to bring about his Kingdom on earth is a matter of instituting a more socialist economy. A socialist economic system is more in line with the Gospel message. Do you agree or disagree with this?

Uhm, Socialism also gives rise to greed, greed is in our natural favor

Why is it result in inhumane actions, I highly doubt that.

Oppression? I doubt that as well. Let's say you worked on putting in ceiling tiles and your friend just sat and did nothing, and the owner demands you give him half of the money you earned.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Why can't people of like minds just move somewhere and set up their utopia?

I like things just the way they are and will not tollerate some young whipper snapper wanting to change things.

Socialism is only appealing to people who have nothing or would be content with nothing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why can't people of like minds just move somewhere and set up their utopia?
I like things just the way they are and will not tollerate some young whipper snapper wanting to change things.
Socialism is only appealing to people who have nothing or would be content with nothing.

The beauty of capitalism is that a group of people may voluntarily come together & practice communism or socialism among themselves. I suspect that this is never done on a wide scale because the industrious tire of working for the slothful. (The insurance industry is one activity which mimics some socialistic practices by spreading cost & risk, & is largely voluntary.) But with a governmentally imposed socialist economy, they need to make capitalism illegal, lest it take over.

 

[Gomeza]

. . . The definition of socialism is: "I have nothing and I want to share it with you" . . but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

History has proven that socialism or communism are unworkable as both an economic system and system of governance but having said that, capitalism is not universally applicable to all aspects of society. Socialist ideals are utilized as a means of increasing resource distribution efficiencies and/or strengthening buying power throughout every society on this planet.

A reality we all face is that capitalism has an historic lifespan, the resources that fuel capitalism are finite which will inevitably lead to changes in our economic systems.

 

[nnmartin]

Oppression? I doubt that as well. Let's say you worked on putting in ceiling tiles and your friend just sat and did nothing, and the owner demands you give him half of the money you earned.

are you talking about Socialism or Capitalism here?

with Capitalism this is exactly what happens all the time.

ie: the worker does the job then 50% (usually more) of the profits goes to the owner!

How about landlords - they take the money earned by the working man yet do not actually contribute anything to society themselves.

it's quite ironic really, because these owners and landlords are always the first to complain over other peoples' supposed idleness.

 

[nnmartin]

Socialism is only appealing to people who have nothing or would be content with nothing.

do you mean like China or the Soviet Union?

I seem to remember that the Soviets ran virtually half the World and most things these days are made in China.

you ought to have a look around Beijing these days, it's way more modern than many Western capitals.

 

[nnmartin]

Why can't people of like minds just move somewhere and set up their utopia?

do you really think the Right Wing would allow that?

doubt it somehow.

As far as I know it is still illegal for a US citizen to buy a Cuban cigar anywhere in the World.

yes, I'm sure a Socialist Utopia would be left alone, not!

 

[nnmartin]

But with a governmentally imposed socialist economy, they need to make capitalism illegal, lest it take over.

Yes, that is true because Capitalism = Greed.

and Greed is probably the most powerful human force out there, so it needs to be stopped by legislation.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

are you talking about Socialism or Capitalism here?

with Capitalism this is exactly what happens all the time.

ie: the worker does the job then 50% (usually more) of the profits goes to the owner!

How about landlords - they take the money earned by the working man yet do not actually contribute anything to society themselves.

it's quite ironic really, because these owners and landlords are always the first to complain over other peoples' supposed idleness.

That's socialism, when money is shared. Capitalism implies your money is your money. If you do not work, you do not get paid.

Are you thinking of Communism? That's one that starts with a C and is similar to Socialism.

 

[nnmartin]

I can't see why some of you seem to think that Communism/Socialism is a system in which you don't need to work. This is clearly not true.

In the Soviet Union, for example, you were obligated to work.

actually, in many capitalist countries, you can virtually choose to not work and live on Welfare instead.

so what do you all say to that?

 

[nnmartin]

. . . The definition of socialism is: "I have nothing and I want to share it with you" . . but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

do you mean the clock which was most likely made in Communist China?

 

[nnmartin]

History has proven that socialism or communism are unworkable as both an economic system and system of governance

and what is this history exactly?

Do you mean the disbanding of the SU due to the Cold War or something else?

Do you mean the fact that China is now looking like the next big player in the Word?

Do you mean the fact that Communist Vietnam is way more successful than it's neighbour, Capitalist Cambodia?

The list could go on.