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Capitalism or socialism??
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What myths?
"Myth" means that your perspective conflicts with one's own deeply held "facts" (aka, myths).
Tis a sly, almost clever way of saying that your views are invalid....& full of deep fried goodness.
Oh, such irony.....all our views are equally invalid anyway, especially mine.
This is why it's wise to be civil to our philosophical & political foes.
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Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
There is no feasible either or. Both economic systems need each other as healthy counterbalances. Unchecked capitalism and unchecked socialism are systems without accountability.
And every thriving economy is a mixed economy.
The history of why the terms developed emotionally-laden responses is fascinating. They certainly are not enemies of each other as we are led to believe, but necessary counterparts.
And every thriving economy is a mixed economy.
The history of why the terms developed emotionally-laden responses is fascinating. They certainly are not enemies of each other as we are led to believe, but necessary counterparts.
Well, no it does not actually work. Not when large equals too large.Greece and Italy are clear examples of unsustainable welfare systems and the UK's is in serious danger of similar. In these austere times it is the welfare system that any government first cuts into and therefore it is those most in need that suffer the most, if the system were less bloated then those in need would more likely be better protected when economies shrink. Governments (or at least democratic governments) should work for the people not rule the people. I am a great believer in the principles of the UK's welfare state and am happy that my neighbour (who has never worked or paid tax) is able to avail himself of the same healthcare, education and opportunities as me but if three of my neighbours are doing the same and my corresponding tax burden is such that I cannot afford to send my children to uni, that my car is older than theirs and that I have no idea when I can retire then the system is not working for all of us. And, I'm an old commie!
Capitalism is just another word for freedom...that's what God offers man.
Socialism is tyranny, something God offers us freedom from.
Hevenly Heathen
Seeker
Illustrations and examples please.
You make that God stuff sound pretty good!
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
Socialism reduces everyone to the lowest common denominator and works against natural evolution. We will never evolve into a superior being as long as we keep enabling ugly, stupid, lazy folks to reproduce.
Obesity is a problem caused by capitlism.
Think of all the overweight unattractive fatties down the local shopping mall.
Now think of all those hot, tall, slim, blonde Soviet girls!
which ones would you prefer to take home?
Hevenly Heathen
Seeker
Many Native American tribes were socialistic, yet they seem to fair well... at least until the genocide inflicted on them
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
RE:Originally Posted by nnmartin
This kind of system works in many countries with a large welfare state - the UK for example is like this.
yes, I agree with you here.
when I said 'this is how the system works in the UK' I was meaning how it functions - (so not work in a necessarily positive sense)
It certainly is a problem back in the UK because for many people getting a job does not provide them with any more income when you factor in all the benefits available - hardly an incentive to get a job!
This kind of system works in many countries with a large welfare state - the UK for example is like this.
yes, I agree with you here.
when I said 'this is how the system works in the UK' I was meaning how it functions - (so not work in a necessarily positive sense)
It certainly is a problem back in the UK because for many people getting a job does not provide them with any more income when you factor in all the benefits available - hardly an incentive to get a job!
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
I didn't realise that Socialism actually existed in Biblical times, though I sometimes have the suspicion that Karl Marx was actually the embodiment of the second coming.
.....and because of Karl Marx and like-minded thinkers we actually have such things as unions, welfare, minimum wage, social democracy, health and safety at work etc..
I don't recall the mainstream churches doing much for the people.
The French revolution is a good case in point here, amongst many.
nnmartin
Well-Known Member
Socialism reduces everyone to the lowest common denominator and works against natural evolution. We will never evolve into a superior being as long as we keep enabling ugly, stupid, lazy folks to reproduce.
you ought to take a short trip to Beijing, China.
some serious wealth there, puts many Western capitals to shame.
Of course, this has only occurred since China embraced capitalism.
Beforehand, famine & woe were the norm except for party elite.
Hevenly Heathen
Seeker
Examples and illustrations please. Not a blanket, safe answer.
Hevenly Heathen
Seeker
I can't remember a single passage where God saved anyone from Socialism, or promoted Capitalism, please provide specific references.
As a strange question though: The advocation of incest is against Socialism and pro-Capitalism? It was in the Bible.
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lol, As a Capitalist I'll admit this simple fact:
Jesus was a Socialist. Remember that time he died for all of our sins? Oh, and that other time when he shared the bread among all of the people? And definitely do not forget the time when he cured the sick for free.
YHWH on the other hand, the Father of the trinity, would be seen as a Capitalist, but that's mostly in the Old Testament which most Christians don't really focus on. Examples: You only get into heaven if you show effort towards him by worship and being sinless.
It's sad when an atheist Capitalist knows this and a Christian doesn't.
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