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Capitalism or socialism??
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Nationalist socialism would be fine with me. (No, not National Socialism or rather, national socialism that is true to the label.)
Humans are a social, communal species. Not a psychopathic one.
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
Humans are a social, communal species. Not a psychopathic one.
Do you see the successful making citizenship with the unseccessful welfare scroungers? I do not--the divide is incredible.
I say leave them behind and in due course our natural resources become more sustainable and we can advance greatly.
"Successful"? You mean money-hoarding greedy psychopaths who leech off the rest of society? Having lots of $$$$ is not an accurate determinate of one's worth or an estimate of success. Money is meaningless.
Also, I'm guessing you're not rich, so you might as well kill yourself since you're worthless according to your thinking.
Baladas
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I lean towards Socialism, but it certainly needs some work.
My preferred system would be something like Libertarian Socialism.
Sadly, I don't see this as something that will realistically happen any time soon, so I tend to favor a greater move towards the system of Social Liberalism suggested by John Rawls and far greater regulation of corporations.
My preferred system would be something like Libertarian Socialism.
Sadly, I don't see this as something that will realistically happen any time soon, so I tend to favor a greater move towards the system of Social Liberalism suggested by John Rawls and far greater regulation of corporations.
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Marisa
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I'm not going to address the god issue because I think it's irrelevant to the question.
I think certain issues need to be addressed in a socialist manner. Health care, for instance. We employ socialism to provide education and safety, to provide water and electricity. I personally feel no person's state of health should represent a profit margin for any company.
I don't find anything inherently wrong with capitalism as long as we don't forget that the goal of a corporation, above and beyond all other goals, it to return a profit dividend to investors. Thus, sensible regulations from the government are required in order to dissuade the corporation from doing what it's naturally going to do in pursuit of this goal: monetizing labor (and the environment). For every rule there is an exception, and for every WalMart there is a Publix, but I don't see that even under the best of conditions that this can be any other way.
I think certain issues need to be addressed in a socialist manner. Health care, for instance. We employ socialism to provide education and safety, to provide water and electricity. I personally feel no person's state of health should represent a profit margin for any company.
I don't find anything inherently wrong with capitalism as long as we don't forget that the goal of a corporation, above and beyond all other goals, it to return a profit dividend to investors. Thus, sensible regulations from the government are required in order to dissuade the corporation from doing what it's naturally going to do in pursuit of this goal: monetizing labor (and the environment). For every rule there is an exception, and for every WalMart there is a Publix, but I don't see that even under the best of conditions that this can be any other way.
I don't think capitalism arose with any intentions.
It just happened cuz people sought to make money in business.
As for being off the rails....we do need to stop government from introducing instabilities & inefficiencies.
Is there an alternative which is still on the rails?
I'm stand ready to serve!
You may call me "Your Revoltingness".
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
I have not witnessed such butthurt behaviour on RF as this, recently.
Money and influence controls the human race. In fact, influence controls most natural ecological infrastructures.
The principle is clear: the weak are eradicated and the strong may thrive. We should adopt this principle societally.
Capitalism was 'supposed' to help everyone...give everyone an equal chance to be business owners, or pursue their 'dreams.'
That didn't work out so well. ^_^
Social Darwinism is bull**** (that's not how Darwinian natural selection works) and you're promoting psychopathic traits. That's not how humans became the dominant species. We're apes and all the great apes are very social species. So you wish for us to go against our nature and to create a brutal hell on the earth. Your beliefs are disgusting and I would say you probably have a personality disorder.
It's worked out pretty well compared to alternatives.
It arose in multiple places independently, so there was never an imposed agenda to it.
But ain't nuthin perfect.
Capitalism without any regulation would be a nightmare much, much worse than the plutocracy we have now.
Capitalism without regulation isn't an option.
The question is only the extent & kind.
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
Nice strawman. When did I ever mention natural selection? I am aware that they have their differences, but the underlying principle holds true.
Also, cursing doesn't make your argument stronger--I could say the same thing about socialism.
*I don't agree with you so, therefore, you're wrong.
Nice appeal to emotion, though.
When did I say that we could never socialise? Another strawman..
Also, ad hominems.
That's not a rebuttal.