Capitalists may have the same mentality as Nazis: that people must be enslaved

[Kfox]

Owning stocks that allow you to maintain two homes and two cars without having to work is when richness starts (in a developed nation, today). (And it is obvious that at that point you get your money from the work of others.)

Do you consider that to be a good thing? I mean; when you look at it, everybody gets something from the work of others; the food you eat, clothes you wear, house you live in, etc. etc. it all comes to you as a result of the work of others.

 

[Estro Felino]

But if it's yours, shouldn't you be allowed to sell it above market value if you wish?

This obsession with profit maximization is not normal.

 

[Kfox]

Thos obsession with profit maximizatoon is not normal.

You don't have to be obsessed with profit to believe your property is worth more than the Government says it's worth.

 

[Estro Felino]

You don't have to be obsessed with profit to believe your property is worth more than the Government says it's worth.

It is a matter of mentality.
Oilfields belong to the community...
But...this concept is easily understandable by an European.
You are from the US, right,?

 

[GoodAttention]

It is a matter of mentality.
Oilfields belong to the community...
But...this concept is easily understandable by an European.
You are from the US, right,?

Free market determines the value of oil and gas fields also, regardless if it is part of a sovereign wealth fund, publicly listed, or owned/run by oligarchs.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Now you are quoting our Prime Minister...

Yeah, since you brought up italians.

You should know that Italy cannot support Ukraine forever,...and sooner or later the war shall terminate.

Sure, sure. Meanwhile, italy's stance doesn't seem to be what you like to claim it is.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Owning stocks that allow you to maintain two homes and two cars without having to work is when richness starts (in a developed nation, today). (And it is obvious that at that point you get your money from the work of others.)

How did that person end up with owning that stock?
Assuming we aren't talking about inherited wealth, most likely that person worked his bum off with that stock being the "reward" for his hard work.

So, unless I am misunderstanding the seeming judgemental / negative undertone, I don't really consider it very fair to then say that they are earning money "without having to work" and that they get that money "from the work of others".

It's not like those "others" are working while you are the one getting their salary.... Those others are still getting paid for their labor.
And the stock you own, you have earned / acquired through hard work yourself.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

This obsession with profit maximization is not normal.

How is that not normal?
Is profit minimization normal then?



If you can sell something for twice the price that you originally bought it, you wouldn't?

You don't expect us to believe that, do you?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It is a matter of mentality.
Oilfields belong to the community...
But...this concept is easily understandable by an European.
You are from the US, right,?

You really, really, really need to stop pretending that your twisted opinions are shared and / or representative of all europeans.
I can assure you that they aren't.

 

[Estro Felino]

Free market determines the value of oil and gas fields also, regardless if it is part of a sovereign wealth fund, publicly listed, or owned/run by oligarchs.

If you want, I can quote the article of the Italian Constitution that states that the State, (the supreme entity which I worship as a deity) has the right to expropriate private pieces of property where sources of energy have been discovered.

 

[Heyo]

How did that person end up with owning that stock?
Assuming we aren't talking about inherited wealth, most likely that person worked his bum off with that stock being the "reward" for his hard work.

It doesn't matter how one came into possession of the stocks, because I never accused the owner of being exploitive. It's the system that allows a single person to own that much wealth.

So, unless I am misunderstanding the seeming judgemental / negative undertone, I don't really consider it very fair to then say that they are earning money "without having to work" and that they get that money "from the work of others".

Do you know what dividends are and how they are generated?

It's not like those "others" are working while you are the one getting their salary.... Those others are still getting paid for their labor.

Again, do you know what dividends are and how they are generated?

And the stock you own, you have earned / acquired through hard work yourself.

I assert that no normal person can do enough hard work, just by themselves, to acquire enough wealth to maintain a lavish lifestyle. There may be exceptions for very talented or ingenious persons, or a stroke of exceptional luck.

 

[GoodAttention]

If you want, I can quote the article of the Italian Constitution that states that the State, (the supreme entity which I worship as a deity) has the right to expropriate private pieces of property where sources of energy have been discovered.

Perhaps we should start digging in Tolyatti?

I believe in you, I just don't believe you.

 

[Estro Felino]

Perhaps we should start digging in Tolyatti?

You're as enigmatic as Thomas S. Elliot.

It was a way to say we are Communistland?

I believe in you, I just don't believe you.

Articles 42-43

 

[Estro Felino]

You really, really, really need to stop pretending that your twisted opinions are shared and / or representative of all europeans.
I can assure you that they aren't.

Your country is tiny and is Bankersland...
With all due respect...

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, since you brought up italians.


Sure, sure. Meanwhile, italy's stance doesn't seem to be what you like to claim it is.

When it deals with war...
Never assume that Italians support a war...

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

When it deals with war...
Never assume that Italians support a war...

Well, I doubt all Italians have the same view. So some might not care at all, some might be neutral in regards to Ukraine, some might favor one side or the other.
And in effect you might find some who support war in some case and sense.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Your country is tiny and is Bankersland...
With all due respect...

Which has nothing to do with the point at hand.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

When it deals with war...
Never assume that Italians support a war...

Did you even read the article?
They support Ukraine...

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, I doubt all Italians have the same view. So some might not care at all, some might be neutral in regards to Ukraine, some might favor one side or the other.
And in effect you might find some who support war in some case and sense.

History hasn't taught you much, dear mister...I see.

Italians can tell you they support your war face to face, and plan the armistice behind your back.

 

[Estro Felino]

Did you even read the article?
They support Ukraine...

Go to Rome and interview random people on the street.