Unveiled Artist
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Catholicism embraces Christianity. The word Catholicism ends in ism. That means Catholic teachings. A catholic is an individual. Christianity ends in ity. Christians are many. Some Christians believe in gay marriage. Catholics do not and are taught that gay marriage is wrong. Catholics can only be labeled Christian by other religions. Although gay people can be nice people, something is wrong with their thinking. Same sexs cannot reproduce. To label a Catholic as Christian would classify them as believing in gay marriage.
I didn't realize this was interfaith. Just expressing my thoughts about your comment because it's rare that I hear any Christian say this so bluntly. If you want to talk you have my explicit permission to create another thread in another forum. This may be disbanded; but, there it is. Latetr.
This upsets my "eyes" (instead of ears).
Catholic's are Christian because they believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior.
They (all Catholics and like-minded denominations) are not a part of Christianity (just as JW etc are not) because they separate themselves from the full body of Christ. How? Any Christian should be able to take the Eucharistic mystery. No one should tell any Christian they cannot receive Jesus after repentance, baptism, confirmation, and prayer.
The Church (Body of Christ rather than Roman, Othorodox, etc) is a body of Christians not a body of all people who only take the Eucharistic mystery. It sets Catholics (and like minded people like JW) from the body of Christ that many protestants do not do. A lot of protestant denominations may not agree with the doctrines of other churches (to some, like JW, excluding catholic) but they do say that everyone who professes Jesus as Lord and Savior (is confirmed) and is baptized (born again) is Christian. It is the Church that separates protestants from themselves not the other way around (hence why they protested because of the nature of the church and what they say corrupted it-have no comment on that)
My point. Even though Catholics are Christians, they separate themselves from the rest of the Body of Christ, so how can they be part of Christianity as a whole if they do not accept their brothers into the Church and within the Eucharistic mystery. Regardless of why, the fact is they do not.
As for homosexuality, the Church does not talk to actual people who are gay and take into consideration and accept as fact-and right-that we are not misguided. The Church has a silly presumption that gay people do things in order to be gay and that our corrupted thinking makes us do things that the Church does not except.
Hocky puck (no pun)
I was gay before I did anything. I am gay and I do nothing (well, eat, drink, and go on the computer), I will be gay and still do nothing. I am Catholic by sacrament. Always be Catholic. I have no deluded thinking.
Where in the word does the Church get that conclusion? Do they judge a person's actions as who they are?
A person is Catholic no matter if he goes to confession or doesn't go to Mass for years on end. That is now how he is Catholic. He is Catholic by the sacraments. Likewise, a gay person doesn't have to do anything. Yet he is gay by his sexual orientation not something he thinks wrong (as if we are corrupted in thoughts) and nothing he does (like eat Cheerios) but someone he is.
If the Pope says not to judge others and the Church still holds the position that gay people have corrupted thinking (cause it's in the CCC), then his comment means nothing. God is said to speak for the Church (at least that's how I saw it when I was practicing Catholic) not the Pope. The Pope speaks for the Apostles. If Catholics cannot tell the difference between who speaks for the Apostles (Pope) and who speaks for God (Jesus), I don't know what to say.
In either case, a couple of biggest reasons I left the Church because of comments and logic like this I see many Catholics have about people they do not know. It breaks down the body of Christ by not accepting other Christians into the Eucharistic Mystery without a year long conversion (and conversion? think about it. The Church accepts most baptisms but everything else they don't) into the Church. I feel the conversion is necessary to be part of the Catholic Church but anyone who:
Repents: Confess
Say Jesus is Lord and Savior: Confirms
Is born again by water and spirit (which other churches do): Baptism
Share in communion: Share in the Eucharist
Are Christians. Once you say everything is perfect but one, that's separating that person (gay, straight, bi, transgender, tall, short, medium sized: one's height)) etc from the Church-the Body of Christ.
The Church (Roman, Othorodox, Lutheran, and so forth) need to go beyond do not judge and see people who they are not by what they do and certainly not by how the Bible projects them as the Bible may not be applicable to every person who the Church thinks is corrupted.
It's a sad thing to see in the Church and one of many reasons people leave.
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