Catholics Blame Gays for their Pedophile Problem

[Apollonius]

When the Church involves itself in secular matters then it should expect to be repaid in kind.

 

[footprints]

When the Church involves itself in secular matters then it should expect to be repaid in kind.

The church has to be involved in secular matters, it is the very essence of the morals and principals which they exist. Albeit, as in the case of children being abused, do not always live up to the standards that they set.

I think Christians or Jesus, put it like this, render unto Caesar that which is Caesars, render unto God, that which is Gods'. In the case of child abuse, they will first render unto Caesar, then render unto God. They have, defiled both.

 

[Falvlun]

When the Church involves itself in secular matters then it should expect to be repaid in kind.

What was this in reference to exactly?

 

[darkendless]

Human nature will never cease to amaze me, and I always get a good laugh over it to. Though churches are not the only ones who do this. Governments, political parties, companies, organisations, families and even individuals are all guilty of trying to hush things up or sweep it under the carpet from time to time.

In Australia we have sports clubs, who try it all the time. The media doesn't let them get away with it either, and what they do to governments and political parties, well it is Watergate, isn't it.

Remember though, sports clubs are not really comparable to a church organisation of about a billion people as sports clubs do not claim to be morally superior to other organisations.

If the church didn't preach morality and dogma this wouldn't be so big. But given the fact that the pope himself has tried to hide such allegations is really cusing issues for the church.

The church needs to just tell the world the truth. Covering up "dark secrets" is only going to haunt them further and stretch out the length of time it takes for people to forget about these episodes.

 

[footprints]

Remember though, sports clubs are not really comparable to a church organisation of about a billion people as sports clubs do not claim to be morally superior to other organisations.

You better believe that sports clubs preach morality. In high profile people, sponsers particularly demand it. These players are role models for many young children, and must be seen as beyond reproach (morally superior to the average person, can't go out for a beer with their mates in some cases). In recent events, albeit not an Australian, Tiger Woods, stands testimony to the morality sports people are expected to uphold. Had Tiger Woods been an average Joe Blow, it most probably wouldn't have even made the news.

You are talking numbers, I am talking human nature. Humans are all the same.

If the church didn't preach morality and dogma this wouldn't be so big. But given the fact that the pope himself has tried to hide such allegations is really cusing issues for the church.

It would still be big. What if this was a Pagan Group, don't you believe the uproar would be just as great? The commotion generated in NSW, as it pertained to the Cronulla Football club (Rugby League) and the multiple sex of a girl in New Zealand, I would say was bigger than this lastest series pertaining to the Catholic Church. In fact there isn't much in the Papers or News pertaining to it at all.

The church needs to just tell the world the truth. Covering up "dark secrets" is only going to haunt them further and stretch out the length of time it takes for people to forget about these episodes.

I couldn't agree more, albeit they are not working with your logic or mine. They are humans, who will herald their own intelligence over ours.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

It's highly amusing how the Church comes out fighting like trailer park trash when it feels threatened. Does stress reveal what it really is?

Phil - have you ever read the book Why I Am Not A Christian by Bertrand Russell?

It's really a collection of his writings from the early to mid 1900's, but it is an excellent read. He lays out a series of arguments that delineate his reasons for turning away from Catholicism in England. Fairly short book, extremely well written, and he does a great job of showing the Catholic church for what it was at that time in England.

 

[tumbleweed41]

So what you are saying is........................

LOL

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Either a person is against rape, or they are not. Are you against rape at every corner, or can you justify rape being right in some instances?
If you are against rape, in any situation, than your beliefs align with mine. If not, your beliefs directly oppose mine.

It's funny, watching you jump through these hoops, trying to define my position without crossing the line of an outright lie again.

The moderators will be their own judge.

Yes, they will. And based on the linguistic gymnastics you performed above, I'm willing to bet that they censured you for your actions. It would appear that you are at least smart enough to learn not to tweak the noses of the moderators.

LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL.

So much for the progress I thought you were making. That nervous laughter smacks of a man getting his lunch handed to him in a debate, doesn't it?

Topics like this can be emotionally based, unless you overcome the emotion and base your position in logic and reason alone. Your position is clearly emotionally based, and the logic and reason in your position, reflect the emotional element in it.

If you are emotionally challenged, then I hope you can find a good mental health professional to help you. For me, there is no emotion in this debate. Well, a little mirth perhaps, watching you slowly go off the deep end.

LOL it is pretty hard for me to deny reality ...

Don't sell yourself short. You haven't come close to finding reality yet - at least - not on this thread.

Your claims to have been involved with a group that labeled itself as "Pro-abortion" really doesn't surprise me. If two or more people aren't smart enough to be able to understand the difference in the terms, it only makes sense that they might find themselves bonding to each other. You just don't seem able to realize that simply because you joined a group of people that were (are) so limited does not mean that you were right. It only means that ignorance of the use of language and terms isn't limited to you alone.

 

[logician]

If the pope and his underlings turn themselves for conspiracy to commit child abuse, maybe they can ask forgiveness from their supposed god, otherwise, this "sin" according to their own religion will keep weighing heavily on them and the church.

 

[JMorris]

If the pope and his underlings turn themselves for conspiracy to commit child abuse, maybe they can ask forgiveness from their supposed god, otherwise, this "sin" according to their own religion will keep weighing heavily on them and the church.

as terrible as this is, the church has a BIG ole bucket of sin, in which this is only a drop. hasnt weighed them down much so far.

 

[silhouette]

It's always easier to blame others.

 

[footprints]

It's funny, watching you jump through these hoops, trying to define my position without crossing the line of an outright lie again.
Yes, they will. And based on the linguistic gymnastics you performed above, I'm willing to bet that they censured you for your actions. It would appear that you are at least smart enough to learn not to tweak the noses of the moderators.

Perception.

So much for the progress I thought you were making. That nervous laughter smacks of a man getting his lunch handed to him in a debate, doesn't it?

LOL, more perception.

If you are emotionally challenged, then I hope you can find a good mental health professional to help you. For me, there is no emotion in this debate. Well, a little mirth perhaps, watching you slowly go off the deep end.

LOL, getting worse

Don't sell yourself short. You haven't come close to finding reality yet - at least - not on this thread.

LOL, you keep you reality and I will keep mine.

Your claims to have been involved with a group that labeled itself as "Pro-abortion" really doesn't surprise me. If two or more people aren't smart enough to be able to understand the difference in the terms, it only makes sense that they might find themselves bonding to each other. You just don't seem able to realize that simply because you joined a group of people that were (are) so limited does not mean that you were right. It only means that ignorance of the use of language and terms isn't limited to you alone.

You really do not know anything about the Pro-Choice movement do you?

 

[Duck]

Interesting question. I don't know. *goes off to think about it.*

I think that the answer might lie closer to societal outrage at boys being sexually assaulted versus girls. After all, there was a large percentage (from what I have read early on in the allegations, currently uncorroborated) of girls that were the victims as well.

I think that society for whatever really, really screwed up reason finds the sexual assault of an underage male more shocking than the sexual assault of an underage female.

 

[Falvlun]

I think that the answer might lie closer to societal outrage at boys being sexually assaulted versus girls. After all, there was a large percentage (from what I have read early on in the allegations, currently uncorroborated) of girls that were the victims as well.

I think that society for whatever really, really screwed up reason finds the sexual assault of an underage male more shocking than the sexual assault of an underage female.

This would only account for a bias in the media reporting the molestation of boys over girls. The numbers, however, show that the number of boys molested by priests is actually greater than the number of girls. See Alceste's post 25.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

It's funny, watching you jump through these hoops, trying to define my position without crossing the line of an outright lie again.
Yes, they will. And based on the linguistic gymnastics you performed above, I'm willing to bet that they censured you for your actions. It would appear that you are at least smart enough to learn not to tweak the noses of the moderators.

Perception.

I'm trying to type while I chuckle, but I'd say it's pretty obvious that my "perception" is exactly right. You got spanked, and your trying to act as if it never happened.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Just for balance, I wanted to say that I just heard from one of our members that is Catholic, and for whom I have a great deal of respect (Scott1).

It is important for us (I speak for myself, but it is true for all of us) to remember that not all people of any faith should be painted with the same brush as the leaders of that particular religion at any given time. I think the vast majority of people in a civilized society look at the actions of these pedophile priests in abhorrence, as well as those that cover up their actions. That being said, there are many excellent people that embrace Catholocism that should not be "lumped in" as being supportive of those actions.

For those times that I may be guilty of painting with such a broad brush, I can only apologize. I don't believe that I have done so here, but if I have, again, please accept my apology.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

In this day and age, what psychologically healthy individual is going to commit themselves to a life of celibacy based on receiving a "calling" from god? The problem is that the priesthood is like flypaper for pedophiles. Celibacy doesn't make them pedophiles - they choose the priesthood because they're pedophiles.

You can't really have a better situation as a sexual predator of children. 1) Nobody questions the fact that you're not in a relationship, because you're not supposed to be; 2) you are intrinsically trusted; 3) you have plenty of access to children apart from their parents and other adults; 4) you can use the religion as a guilt-mechanism to keep the children quiet; 5) if your superiors find out, they cover it up and transfer you.

They might as well advertise in the NAMBLA newsletter.

 

[Duck]

This would only account for a bias in the media reporting the molestation of boys over girls. The numbers, however, show that the number of boys molested by priests is actually greater than the number of girls. See Alceste's post 25.

Thanks, I will review that post, I either forgot or missed Alceste's post when I posted.

I think that there is still some increased societal outrage over the molestation of boys vs girls. I am not sure why there is more (perhaps it is a media bias, or a perception on my part) apparent outrage over the fact that more victims were male than female.
Personally, I think that there should be incredible amounts of outrage (to near riot levels) regarding the fact that there has been not just a ridiculous amount of molestation happening, but that there has been an apparent institutional, world wide coverup of the molestation of children, regardless of their sex, by an organization purportedly holding the keys to all morality (if you read their pamphlets). If the purveyors of morals violate those morals so egregiously, how can that moral code be considered valid by anyone?

Read a quote by Dan Savage the other day, it fits and is pretty funny. I will summarize: 3 people get attacked by sharks off the coast of Florida, out of MILLIONS of people swimming in the ocean, and nobody swims for weeks, Thousands of children get molested, for years and everybody keeps attending church. Why?

 

[sonofskeptish]

You can't really have a better situation as a sexual predator of children.

1) Nobody questions the fact that you're not in a relationship, because you're not supposed to be;
2) you are intrinsically trusted;
3) you have plenty of access to children apart from their parents and other adults;
4) you can use the religion as a guilt-mechanism to keep the children quiet;
5) if your superiors find out, they cover it up and transfer you.

I've always wondered the reason but have never seen it summarized so clearly. Gulp... makes me shudder.

 

[sonofskeptish]

"Vatican Cardinal links homosexuality with pedophilia and abuse scandal"

Vatican Cardinal links homosexuality with pedophilia and abuse scandal - Holy Post

(just blame a minority when your caught with your pants down)