Catholics Blame Gays for their Pedophile Problem

[enchanted_one1975]

(any more)

Well met. How about...

(for the time being)

?

 

[Alceste]

Catholic League Pres. Donohue: “There’s a Connection Between Homosexuality and Sexual Abuse of Minors” « SpeakEasy

As ThinkProgress noted yesterday, the conservative Catholic Leauge placed a full-page ad in the New York Times on Tuesday that claimed that the sexual abuse scandal currently roiling the Catholic Church is a crisis of “homosexuality,” not “pedophilia.” On CNN yesterday, Catholic League President William Donohue defended the assertion by pointing to a study that found that “three out of every four” of the male victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests were “post-pubescent, meaning that it’s homosexuality driven.” “It’s not a matter of my opinion to say that this is a pedophilia crisis. It’s been a homosexual crisis all along,” said Donohue. He then asserted that “there’s a connection between homosexuality and sexual abuse of minors“:

SANCHEZ: Well, let me just stop you right there, because immediately as you say that, there are people watching this show, and I can hear them saying this, Bill Donohue, shame on you. Are you saying all gays are pedophiles?

DONOHUE: As I said in the ad, which I wrote, most gay priests are not molesters, but most of the molesters have been gay. And I also said, that there’s no such thing as a — that homosexuality does not cause predatory behavior.

Let me give you a quick example. I’m Irish. Everybody who has half a brain knows that the Irish have a bigger problem with alcoholism than the Italians or the Chinese, for example. Does that mean because you’re an Irishman, therefore, you are driven to become an alcoholic? Of course, not.

If "three out of four" of the victims were "post-pubescent" boys (whatever that means), and that makes it a "gay thing", what does it mean that four out of four of these child molesters are Catholic? I guess that means there is 25 % greater correlation between being Catholic and being a gay child molester than there is simply being a gay child molester.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

My question is why is the RCC still teaching that homosexuality causes pedophilia? Like gay men are the only ones who ever molest kids?

 

[McBell]

Catholic League Pres. Donohue: “There’s a Connection Between Homosexuality and Sexual Abuse of Minors” « SpeakEasy

As ThinkProgress noted yesterday, the conservative Catholic Leauge placed a full-page ad in the New York Times on Tuesday that claimed that the sexual abuse scandal currently roiling the Catholic Church is a crisis of “homosexuality,” not “pedophilia.” On CNN yesterday, Catholic League President William Donohue defended the assertion by pointing to a study that found that “three out of every four” of the male victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests were “post-pubescent, meaning that it’s homosexuality driven.” “It’s not a matter of my opinion to say that this is a pedophilia crisis. It’s been a homosexual crisis all along,” said Donohue. He then asserted that “there’s a connection between homosexuality and sexual abuse of minors“:

SANCHEZ: Well, let me just stop you right there, because immediately as you say that, there are people watching this show, and I can hear them saying this, Bill Donohue, shame on you. Are you saying all gays are pedophiles?

DONOHUE: As I said in the ad, which I wrote, most gay priests are not molesters, but most of the molesters have been gay. And I also said, that there’s no such thing as a — that homosexuality does not cause predatory behavior.

Let me give you a quick example. I’m Irish. Everybody who has half a brain knows that the Irish have a bigger problem with alcoholism than the Italians or the Chinese, for example. Does that mean because you’re an Irishman, therefore, you are driven to become an alcoholic? Of course, not.

So basically what he is saying is that not only does the Catholic Church allow homosexuals into their midst, they have no problems making homosexuals into clergymen.
To take Donohue's statement a few steps further one can also conclude that the Catholic Church will even fuel said homosexual desires by transferring their child molesting homosexual priests around, providing them with a constantly changing and fresh supply of victims.

I wonder if Donohue realizes just how much more harmful the implications from his statements are.

Like any other shock jock, I bet Donohue is well aware of the harm he causes Catholics.
I bet he just does not care so long as he gets his 15 minutes.

 

[Alceste]

In case anyone is interested, the study he's talking about is here, and interesting. What is telling is that they had these numbers handy to do a statistical analysis of them. All the allegations against 4,392 priests believed to have sexually abused 10,667 children in the US alone - just sitting there in the filing cabinets of the Catholic church for 50 years. It's enough to make you want to raid the Vatican and give all their loot to the poor, as Jesus would have suggested.

Anyway, he's talking about this:

The largest group of alleged victims (50.9%) was between the ages of 11 and 14,
27.3% were 15-17, 16% were 8-10 and nearly 6% were under age 7. Overall, 81%
of victims were male and 19% female. Male victims tended to be older than
female victims. Over 40% of all victims were males between the ages of 11 and
14.

I guess to that guy, an 11 year old boy is "post-pubescent".

Anyway, crunching the numbers that's still over 2000 little girls molested by priests, mostly under the age of 14. If the molestation of boys is a "gay" problem, what should we point the finger at for those numbers? Even if you think grown men who molest little boys are indulging in consensual homosexuality, doesn't the molestation of 2000 little girls still count as a crisis?

 

[footprints]

Catholic League Pres. Donohue: “There’s a Connection Between Homosexuality and Sexual Abuse of Minors” « SpeakEasy

As ThinkProgress noted yesterday, the conservative Catholic Leauge placed a full-page ad in the New York Times on Tuesday that claimed that the sexual abuse scandal currently roiling the Catholic Church is a crisis of “homosexuality,” not “pedophilia.” On CNN yesterday, Catholic League President William Donohue defended the assertion by pointing to a study that found that “three out of every four” of the male victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests were “post-pubescent, meaning that it’s homosexuality driven.” “It’s not a matter of my opinion to say that this is a pedophilia crisis. It’s been a homosexual crisis all along,” said Donohue. He then asserted that “there’s a connection between homosexuality and sexual abuse of minors“:

SANCHEZ: Well, let me just stop you right there, because immediately as you say that, there are people watching this show, and I can hear them saying this, Bill Donohue, shame on you. Are you saying all gays are pedophiles?

DONOHUE: As I said in the ad, which I wrote, most gay priests are not molesters, but most of the molesters have been gay. And I also said, that there’s no such thing as a — that homosexuality does not cause predatory behavior.

Let me give you a quick example. I’m Irish. Everybody who has half a brain knows that the Irish have a bigger problem with alcoholism than the Italians or the Chinese, for example. Does that mean because you’re an Irishman, therefore, you are driven to become an alcoholic? Of course, not.

People in general will always look to something or somebody else to blame for any ill which befalls them or they perceive in the world. That is just human nature for you, we see the same with some non-believers in this forum who want to blame everything on believers, without taking responsiblity and accountablity for their own actions.

This has already been opposed within the Church itself, from memory it was the Cardinal from Vienna, who attacked this stance with the more reasonable approach that it had more to do with the forced celibacy of the clergy than anything else. In many respects I personally agree with the Vienna Cardinal, albeit there is a lot more to it than just that.

Some people will take what some in the church have promoted as gospel and blame Gays for their problem, Others like the Cardinal from Vienna will take a more worldly view, and others yet again will accept part of the knowledge pertaining to gays, and part of the knowledge pertaining to celibacy to form their own view. Others will come up with a totally different view. Such is human intelligence for you.

 

[logician]

Most pedophiles are heterosexual, not homosexual.

 

[linwood]

*sigh* At least they aren't blaming Pagans (yet).

Pagans had their turn already.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Yeah!!! Let's put them in a cell so that they can experience the same horrifying things these chidren were put through so that everyone can know it's wrong and shouldn't happen to anyone.


This is so progressive,

Apparently you have a problem with my thirst for revenge. If you think it would be more "just" to simply give these priests a good tongue lashing and put a nasty letter in their file, I understand. Would that be merited, in your opinion?

For my money, I'd like to see a punishment that would scar them for the rest of their lives (however short that may be) be meted out to these guys. If that isn't "progressive" enough for you, we'll just have to disagree.

I could be wrong, but I don't see your "stern look of dissaproval" as being all that fair to their victims.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Pagans had their turn already.

:yes:

 

[Herr Heinrich]

*sigh*

 

[nonbeliever_92]

Apparently you have a problem with my thirst for revenge. If you think it would be more "just" to simply give these priests a good tongue lashing and put a nasty letter in their file, I understand. Would that be merited, in your opinion?

For my money, I'd like to see a punishment that would scar them for the rest of their lives (however short that may be) be meted out to these guys. If that isn't "progressive" enough for you, we'll just have to disagree.

I could be wrong, but I don't see your "stern look of dissaproval" as being all that fair to their victims.

I believe that they should be jailed, for how long depends on the Circumstances. I don't see it just nor helpful to condemn an act and yet use that act as a means of punishment. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, very primitive.

 

[AxisMundi]

Catholic League Pres. Donohue: “There’s a Connection Between Homosexuality and Sexual Abuse of Minors” « SpeakEasy

As ThinkProgress noted yesterday, the conservative Catholic Leauge placed a full-page ad in the New York Times on Tuesday that claimed that the sexual abuse scandal currently roiling the Catholic Church is a crisis of “homosexuality,” not “pedophilia.” On CNN yesterday, Catholic League President William Donohue defended the assertion by pointing to a study that found that “three out of every four” of the male victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests were “post-pubescent, meaning that it’s homosexuality driven.” “It’s not a matter of my opinion to say that this is a pedophilia crisis. It’s been a homosexual crisis all along,” said Donohue. He then asserted that “there’s a connection between homosexuality and sexual abuse of minors“:

SANCHEZ: Well, let me just stop you right there, because immediately as you say that, there are people watching this show, and I can hear them saying this, Bill Donohue, shame on you. Are you saying all gays are pedophiles?

DONOHUE: As I said in the ad, which I wrote, most gay priests are not molesters, but most of the molesters have been gay. And I also said, that there’s no such thing as a — that homosexuality does not cause predatory behavior.

Let me give you a quick example. I’m Irish. Everybody who has half a brain knows that the Irish have a bigger problem with alcoholism than the Italians or the Chinese, for example. Does that mean because you’re an Irishman, therefore, you are driven to become an alcoholic? Of course, not.

Donohue, and the Catholic Legue, exhibit the usual purposeful ignorance I've come to expect from them.

Homosexuality and pedophilia are two completely unrelated concerns.

Homosexuality is a perfectly legal, perfectly natural, and completely harmless attraction between consenting adults.

Pedophilia is listed as a mental illness for a reason, as it harms children on so many levels as to make the CL's continued attempts to take cheap shots at gays, usuing these child victims, absolutely disgusting. The pedophile is fixated on the age of their victims, not the gender, and such statements as made by the CL ignore the vast majority of child victims, girls raped by men.

 

[AxisMundi]

(any more)

They still do, but gays are the hot ticket item ATM.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yeah!!! Let's put them in a cell so that they can experience the same horrifying things these chidren were put through so that everyone can know it's wrong and shouldn't happen to anyone.


This is so progressive,

So the progressive thing to do would be to just let them prey upon children with impunity rather than hold them accountable and make the face the repercussions? Seriously, why should they be protected from being on the receiving end of the very thing they've dealt to others? What better way for them to come to understand the damage they've done to others? how do they not deserve it? How do they not owe it to their victims? Views like yours do a great disservice to the victims, as you want to brush their pain, which will be with them until the day they die, right under the rug. Indifference and inaction is not progression. Rationalize your stance.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So the progressive thing to do would be to just let them prey upon children with impunity rather than hold them accountable and make the face the repercussions?

There are more options between having them raped themselves and letting them off scot-free.

Seriously, why should they be protected from being on the receiving end of what they've dealt to others? What better way for them to come to understand the damage they've done to others? how do they not deserve it? How do they not owe it to their victims?

They "owe it" to their victims? How will it help the situation of the victims one iota to have their attackers raped?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

They "owe it" to their victims? How will it help the situation of the victims one iota to have their attackers raped?

Depends on the victim. If we asked individual victims, and they stated that it would help them, should we consider it?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Depends on the victim. If we asked individual victims, and they stated that it would help them, should we consider it?

No, we shouldn't.

And I notice that you didn't actually answer my question.

 

[AxisMundi]

So the progressive thing to do would be to just let them prey upon children with impunity rather than hold them accountable and make the face the repercussions? Seriously, why should they be protected from being on the receiving end of the very thing they've dealt to others? What better way for them to come to understand the damage they've done to others? how do they not deserve it? How do they not owe it to their victims? Views like yours do a great disservice to the victims, as you want to brush their pain, which will be with them until the day they die, right under the rug. Indifference and inaction is not progression. Rationalize your stance.

There is a difference between revenge and justice.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

No, we shouldn't.

And I notice that you didn't actually answer my question.

Apparently, you missed my answer of "depends on the victim." I can imagine that some victims of rape might be helped psychologically by the knowledge that their attackers were raped.

I don't know. I'm not a victim of rape, so I can't speak for myself, nor am I arrogant enough to attempt to answer for others. Hence, we would have to ask victims to ascertain whether their attackers being raped would help them or not.