Challenge for atheists/ atheist position

[jonathan180iq]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge.
I'm an honest person, not religious, this isn't a ''trick'' question. Non atheists can answer to

/fun thread

This is like me asking you to convince me that my belief in the invisible man with 4-arms is lunacy... You can't do it.

In this scenario, I have to provide no evidence whatsoever for my invisible man with 4 arms, yet you somehow have to disprove the existence of the the invisible man with 4 arms.

How exactly would you go about doing that?

To directly answer your question, as you've framed this challenged it cannot be done.

 

[Desert Snake]

Without additional definitions? No, it can't be done.

You are perfectly free to believe in undefined things without running the risk of being contradicted. Alas, everybody can.

Ciao

- viole

I am interested in how you have reached your position of atheist, then. If you mean atheism in a broad sense, but admit that a broad argument cannot be presented against theism,... does this put into question, the surety of your atheistic position?

 

[Koldo]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge.
I'm an honest person, not religious, this isn't a ''trick'' question. Non atheists can answer to

/fun thread

I can't show that a literally undetectable being doesn't exist.
I can, however, try to convince you that you have no reason to believe in its existence. Is that acceptable ?

 

[viole]

It's completely different. You don't know what ''theism'' means? You list yourself as an atheist, but you are equating theism with an nonsense question..

No, I don't know. My atheism is targeted at definitions of God properties. For instance, I would not be an atheist if you define God as the whole of (unconscious) nature. Obviously.

So, what is your definition of God? Does Apollo count, for instance?

Ciao

- viole

 

[jonathan180iq]

I am interested in how you have reached your position of atheist, then. If you mean atheism in a broad sense, but admit that a broad argument cannot be presented against theism,... does this put into question, the surety of your atheistic position?

Strange that you mentioned in your first post that this was not a trick question, yet you seem already convinced of your conclusions...

 

[Jumi]

We'll go with sentient beings. Like the classical idea of a sentient deity or deities.

The argument against sentient beings with personality that are gods is that we don't see their effects in the universe. Of course they might be purposely hiding from some or all of us. So they can't be disproved only claims about them might be.

 

[Desert Snake]

I can't show that a literally undetectable being doesn't exist.
I can, however, try to convince you that you have no reason to believe in its existence. Is that acceptable ?

This thread is for presenting arguments; If someone managed to prove something, great, but it's not expected.

 

[viole]

I am interested in how you have reached your position of atheist, then. If you mean atheism in a broad sense, but admit that a broad argument cannot be presented against theism,... does this put into question, the surety of your atheistic position?

Like someone else said, I do not believe in God because I do not believe in Mother Goose.

Since God and Mother Goose have the same plausibility, then I have no logical reason to believe one and not the other. Why should I? Why do you?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Laika]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge.
I'm an honest person, not religious, this isn't a ''trick'' question. Non atheists can answer to

/fun thread

I cannot convince you that you are incorrect in your theism in the space of a single forum thread. Honestly, it is only something that you can only convince and experience for yourself. Whilst there are great many arguements for and against faith, these things have an emotional value as part of our identity that cannot be summarised in a debate. regardless as to whether it is rational or not, our beliefs arise out of our experiences, are part of our identity and our personal history. I can give you reasons, but that is not the same as getting you to believe them. That is a different thing entirely.

 

[Desert Snake]

Strange that you mentioned in your first post that this was not a trick question, yet you seem already convinced of your conclusions...

It isn't a trick question.

 

[FearGod]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge.
I'm an honest person, not religious, this isn't a ''trick'' question. Non atheists can answer to

/fun thread

No one can, it's just a sort of one's own faith and belief.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge.
I'm an honest person, not religious, this isn't a ''trick'' question. Non atheists can answer to

/fun thread

I agree with most people here. I cant set up an argument to convince you theism is wrong. Thats like my giving an argument that paganism is wrong. I can prove there is no such thing as Gods "and" not everyone who identifies as pagans believe in gods so my argument is mute.

Likewise, some theist believe in god as archetypes of a whole while others believe god as a real being. If I proved that the "real being" belief is wrong, I still havent proved a good argument since not all theist believe in god that way.

How do "you" define theist? Give some examples from your beliefs so we know what type of arguments we have to present that relates to your beliefs.

Nam.

 

[Koldo]

This thread is for presenting arguments; If someone managed to prove something, great, but it's not expected.

But arguments for what ?
This is what I am trying to comprehend. Do you want strictly arguments that show that God doesn't exist ? Or are arguments aimed at the conclusion that it is unreasonable to hold belief in God also valid on this topic ?

 

[leibowde84]

How specific do you need to present an argument? 'Atheism', is not specific, so, this may be your simply conceding that there isn't an argument to present.

No one can argue against anything that is undefined? You need to let us know which God/gods you would like us to disprove. We can't disprove something that hasn't been identified.

 

[viole]

No one can argue against anything that is undefined? You need to let us know which God/gods you would like us to disprove. We can't disprove something that hasn't been identified.

We?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Revoltingest]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge.

No.

 

[leibowde84]

We?

Ciao

- viole

Yep, "we" as in everyone on RF.

 

[leibowde84]

Ah, but I did not say ''prove'' your argument. Merely present a convincing one. That can be done, right? Perhaps not; if you think it can't, then you have answered whether you think that argument can be presented or not.

You have to at least identify the dieties in question.

 

[leibowde84]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge.
I'm an honest person, not religious, this isn't a ''trick'' question. Non atheists can answer to

/fun thread

Also, can you provide the definition of theism, the deities in question, and why you believe in said deities? Because, as is, you havent given anyone anything to argue against.

 

[viole]

Yep, "we" as in everyone on RF.

It is amazing how an agnostic Christian can agree with a gnostic atheist. Our brain processes should be antipodal, shouldn't they? Lol.

Ciao

- viole