Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

[Eddi]

There we go again no answer as to how the giraffe got such a long neck but then a bit insulting. Very interesting.

Why do giraffes have long necks? The mystery has baffled experts since Darwin

For a century and a half, naturalists have been vexed by the long neck of the giraffe. How could such a structure have evolved?

www.wired.co.uk

 

[Dan From Smithville]

In a discussion about Pascal's Wager, I'm not inclined to talk about irrelevant points like giraffe evolution. Of course, some people don't have the vision to see what they don't want to.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Creationists have a consistent answer for that

Creationists have no answers, just unfalsifiable guesses that explain and predict nothing. Maybe that's enough for you.

you point about a 3 option is a red herring.

Then refute it. Show that there is no third option if you believe that that's the case. Your empty, unargued, unevidenced claims have no meaning or value to critical thinkers. People don't care what you believe, just why you believe it. Once again, you appear to have no reasons for your beliefs, just guesses

pascal is answering a specific pair of parties

No, he is addressing the world. His argument is what one should do if he has an immortal soul, which he believes that everybody has.

Unless you can 100% prove that life and death are not the only binary outcomes we all face, then I argue life and death are evidence that are consistent with and support both Pascals Wager and religion

But that's the point - you don't argue. You just tell others what you have chosen to believe by faith. Life and death are evidence that life and death are possible and occur, not evidence for gods or religions.

There we go again no answer as to how the giraffe got such a long neck

None for YOU, you mean. These matters are not for you to understand, since you haven't done the necessary groundwork. You still don't seem to understand the mechanism for evolution - the easiest part of the theory. If you did, you would have your answer.

I've yet to see a single creationist learn even a single fact about evolution on these threads. Not one. Eddi just posted an instructional essay. Suprise me and accurately paraphrase its answer to your question. If you can't, you've identified the reason why you couldn't answer these questions yesterday, today, or tomorrow.

Insulted again? If so, sorry, but that's on you. React as you like.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'm feeling such respect of my person, my opinions and my position. It certainly is fruit that tells me a lot.

 

[John53]

There we go again no answer as to how the giraffe got such a long neck but then a bit insulting. Very interesting.

It's been answered by several people with appropriate links but by your own admission you don't read posts more than a couple of lines long. So what would be the point of answering you?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It's been answered by several people with appropriate links but by your own admission you don't read posts more than a couple of lines long. So what would be the point of answering you?

That fact is as discouraging to engagement as the fact that most of this has been asked and answered numerous times along with this seeming pretense that the questions have never been asked or never answered.

I fail to see how such a strategy fits with claims of Christianity, while my own is dismissed as false, simply because I reject a version of works.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why do giraffes have long necks? The mystery has baffled experts since Darwin

For a century and a half, naturalists have been vexed by the long neck of the giraffe. How could such a structure have evolved?

www.wired.co.uk

I knew Stephen Goulds cousin very well. Meantime, I always admire

It's been answered by several people with appropriate links but by your own admission you don't read posts more than a couple of lines long. So what would be the point of answering you?

I read the link. The scientific jury is out for future reports. Take care.

 

[YoursTrue]

Jesus said he is the truth. For a person to say that Jesus believed myths, such as some speak of the Flood, they are making out Jesus to be a liar.

 

[YoursTrue]

Why do giraffes have long necks? The mystery has baffled experts since Darwin

For a century and a half, naturalists have been vexed by the long neck of the giraffe. How could such a structure have evolved?

www.wired.co.uk

Just to mention that I respect Stephen Jay Gould because I believe he writes what he believed or understood, no punches.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Jesus said he is the truth. For a person to say that Jesus believed myths, such as some speak of the Flood, they are making out Jesus to be a liar.

I wonder what following others around and making seething passive aggressive comments says about the salvation of others and how that applies to Christ.

 

[YoursTrue]

I wonder what following others around and making seething passive aggressive comments says about the salvation of others and how that applies to Christ.

I'm sorry you feel this way. Jesus did say he is the truth, the way and the life, didn't he?
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

 

[YoursTrue]

It's been answered by several people with appropriate links but by your own admission you don't read posts more than a couple of lines long. So what would be the point of answering you?

I am reading this again, and perhaps I mentioned to you that I will read as much as possible if the person presenting the information can and will answer questions about the information. OK?

 

[YoursTrue]

It's been answered by several people with appropriate links but by your own admission you don't read posts more than a couple of lines long. So what would be the point of answering you?

I am reading this again, and perhaps I mentioned to you that I will read as much as possible if the person presenting the information can and will answer questions about the information. OK?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I'm sorry you feel this way. Jesus did say he is the truth, the way and the life, didn't he?
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

It is my belief that He is, but I have real doubts about others.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Why do giraffes have long necks? The mystery has baffled experts since Darwin

For a century and a half, naturalists have been vexed by the long neck of the giraffe. How could such a structure have evolved?

www.wired.co.uk

The question of why the giraffe's elongated neck evolved is not clear at this time, but from the article, it is clear the evidence supports the evolution of elongated necks over time. In other words, the phenomenon of evolution is recognized and the evidence of it fits the theory. Now the interest is in the selection that would drive the evolution of the trait.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The question of why the giraffe's elongated neck evolved is not clear at this time, but from the article, it is clear the evidence supports the evolution of elongated necks over time. In other words, the phenomenon of evolution is recognized and the evidence of it fits the theory. Now the interest is in the selection that would drive the evolution of the trait.

There are a lot of problems where the "why" is very difficult to answer. Both in history and in science. But that does not mean that we cannot know if an event happened or not. For example, it is hard to say why Napoleon went off the deep end and attacked Russia. But there is no doubt that he did it. And the article that I provided shows how we know that the giraffe evolved a long neck. The why is still not one hundred percent clear.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

There are a lot of problems where the "why" is very difficult to answer. Both in history and in science. But that does not mean that we cannot know if an event happened or not. For example, it is hard to say why Napoleon went off the deep end and attacked Russia. But there is no doubt that he did it. And the article that I provided shows how we know that the giraffe evolved a long neck. The why is still not one hundred percent clear.

That's a good analogy of an important consideration that many seem to focus on narrowly in ignorance as evidence that evolution didn't occur.

The fallacious model is that "If you can't demonstrate this, then the whole theory is just conjecture and wrong". I see responses to the giraffe neck evolution on this thread that fit that attempt to conclude by default through ignorance. Even when responding to papers that provide the evidence that the neck elongation trait did indeed occur over 14 million years of gradual change in length.

Napoleons failure leads to an unrelated success. At least conceptually.

 

[John53]

I am reading this again, and perhaps I mentioned to you that I will read as much as possible if the person presenting the information can and will answer questions about the information. OK?

I can only go off what you've said, "I don't read all the posts in a thread only the ones that are a couple of lines", "I don't read long posts", "I don't read links because no one understands them" etc etc. I'm not a mind reader so if you meant something else by those statements then you should clarify for the non mind readers like me.

 

[ratiocinator]

You have ignored the fact that Pascals Wager sets 2 parameters...its only dicussing a wager between religion and atheism and that is the point here.

This really isn't difficult, it's a false dichotomy because there are endless different religions and versions of 'God' (and gods) that you could choose to believe in—and many versions of God get all cross if you choose the wrong one. Hence, there are many more than two choices.

And all that's before we get to all the other logically possibilities. There could be a God who hates religion and gullible believers, for example.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

This really isn't difficult, it's a false dichotomy because there are endless different religions and versions of 'God' (and gods) that you could choose to believe in—and many versions of God get all cross if you choose the wrong one. Hence, there are many more than two choices.

And all that's before we get to all the other logically possibilities. There could be a God who hates religion and gullible believers, for example.

Yet there is only one book, the Bible, that can stand the test.