Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

[Kfox]

Here is simple challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

I will soon post a thread that will refute billions of years and evolution.

Here is simple challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

I will soon post a thread that will refute billions of years and evolution.

'Lucy' Discovered in Africa

On November 24, 1974, fossils of one of the oldest known human ancestors, an Australopithecus afarensis specimen nicknamed “Lucy,” were discovered in Hadar, Ethiopia.

education.nationalgeographic.org

 

[F1fan]

Not to talk to people like you

Yet you do. Your inner conflict must be excruciating.

 

[John53]

Is that all you do with your life, troll creationists on websites and see if they can provide evidence for the supernatural and then tell them that they have lost the debate? Pathetic

Or you could present you thoughts in a civil manner on a forum designed for discussion and debate.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

evolution and billions is just a song and a dance and false.

Hello SBTL, hope you are doing well.

I, too, believe the Scriptures are accurate, when the correct interpretation is applied.

Three questions:

1) At Genesis 1:29, God told Adam, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.” (NIV)
Do you believe this?
I do.

2) Can we eat “every seed-bearing plant” today?
No, we can’t….some are very toxic to humans now.

3) if we accept the Bible’s statements, this means evolution / adaptation has occurred to some degree, doesn’t it?

 

[Jimmy]

Or you could present you thoughts in a civil manner on a forum designed for discussion and debate.

I deleted that comment as it’s not my style

 

[Jimmy]

Or you could present you thoughts in a civil manner on a forum designed for discussion and debate.

I usually do. I Know better than to engage with certain people

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Hello SBTL, hope you are doing well.

I, too, believe the Scriptures are accurate, when the correct interpretation is applied.

Three questions:

1) At Genesis 1:29, God told Adam, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.” (NIV)
Do you believe this?
I do.

2) Can we eat “every seed-bearing plant” today?
No, we can’t….some are very toxic to humans now.

3) if we accept the Bible’s statements, this means evolution / adaptation has occurred to some degree, doesn’t it?

I am glad that you believe the scriptures. After the fall God did curse the earth. Also disease, sickness and death are part of the fall, So that may explain why some are toxic. In that case, it may just be raw miraculous power of God that did that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am glad that you believe the scriptures. After the fall God did curse the earth. Also disease, sickness and death are part of the fall, So that may explain why some are toxic. In that case, it may just be raw miraculous power of God that did that.

Actually it doesn't. You should study the scientific method. If you did you would understand what it takes to have evidence for your claims.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Actually it doesn't. You should study the scientific method. If you did you would understand what it takes to have evidence for your claims.

And all theories must withstand all falsification tests else it is not the scientific method.
Evolution and billions of years have been falsified forevper.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And all theories must withstand all falsification tests else it is not the scientific method.
Evolution and billions of years have been falsified forevper.

Really? When did that happen? It would have been world headline news. So please quote the story from a reliable source, oh, and if you could include a link to the peer reviewed research that you would be just great.

Thanking you in advance.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Radio carbon dating
Examination of skull (palaeo-osteology / anthropology)
Examination/dating of the spoil layer in which the skull was found. Which also contained carbon and other organic and inorganic materials in common use at the time.

Thank you very much, for your reply. It seems you, IANS, & Polymath are just about the only friendly atheists I’m comfortable interacting with on these Forums.

As you know, I claim the Biblical Flood was an historical event.

If, as the Bible states, there existed a canopy of water that enveloped / surrounded the Earth, how would that affect the Sun’s cosmic rays permeating the Earth’s atmosphere? They would be much reduced, wouldn’t it? Carbon absorption would therefore be equally reduced, resulting in fewer decaying C-14 isotopes to decay, right?

Consequently, organisms living prior to the Flood, would be assigned older dates than when they actually lived.

This is why I’m skeptical of C-14 dating, where very old objects (going back several millennia) are concerned.

Hope you will have a good day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thank you very much, for your reply. It seems you, IANS, & Polymath are just about the only friendly atheists I’m comfortable interacting with on these Forums.

As you know, I claim the Biblical Flood was an historical event.

If, as the Bible states, there existed a canopy of water that enveloped / surrounded the Earth, how would that affect the Sun’s cosmic rays hitting the Earth’s surface? It would be much reduced, wouldn’t it? Carbon-14 absorption would therefore be equally reduced, resulting in fewer C-14 isotopes to decay, right?

Consequently, organisms living prior to the Flood, would be assigned older dates than when they actually lived.

This is why I’m skeptical of C-14 dating, where very old objects (going back several millennia) are concerned.

Hope you will have a good day.

You are not skeptical. You are a science denier. Please learn the difference. A skeptic follows the evidence. You do not do that.

And C14 can only be used for very very recent dates. We have other means of dating strata and those dates would not be affected by your hand flapping nonsense.

 

[John53]

And all theories must withstand all falsification tests else it is not the scientific method.

What are the falsification tests you applied to the bible?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What are the falsification tests you applied to the bible?

I have a feeling that our good friend does not understand the concept of "falsifiable".

 

[ChristineM]

Thank you very much, for your reply. It seems you, IANS, & Polymath are just about the only friendly atheists I’m comfortable interacting with on these Forums.

As you know, I claim the Biblical Flood was an historical event.

If, as the Bible states, there existed a canopy of water that enveloped / surrounded the Earth, how would that affect the Sun’s cosmic rays hitting the Earth’s surface? It would be much reduced, wouldn’t it? Carbon-14 absorption would therefore be equally reduced, resulting in fewer C-14 isotopes to decay, right?

Consequently, organisms living prior to the Flood, would be assigned older dates than when they actually lived.

This is why I’m skeptical of C-14 dating, where very old objects (going back several millennia) are concerned.

Hope you will have a good day.

If the biblical flood happened there is no evidence of a global event. On the contray, there is much evidence that a global flood never occured.

On top of that i discovered the skull deep in a cave where no sun light had ever shown its face.

And sunlight has negligible effect on carbon 14 anyway which is only used to date organic artifacts between 100 and 50,000 years with +/-5% accuracy.

Factor the errors levels of the other two methods and you get +/-0.5%

So I'm content the age of my skull is between 21945 and 22055 years old.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

If the biblical flood happened there is no evidence of a global event. On the contray, there is much evidence that a global flood never occured.

On top of that i discovered the skull deep in a cave where no sun light had ever shown its face.

And sunlight has negligible effect on carbon 14 anyway which is only used to date organic artifacts between 100 and 50,000 years with +/-5% accuracy.

Factor the errors levels of the other two methods and you get +/-0.5%

So I'm content the age of my skull is between 21945 and 22055 years old.

You err because the flood is a worldwide event and what happened changed much of the world.

Here is just another fail for the old dumb Big Bang theory.

James Webb telescope spots thousands of Milky Way lookalikes that 'shouldn't exist' swarming across the early universe

Thousands of disk galaxies like our own Milky Way were spotted in the early universe, where they shouldn't exist.

www.yahoo.com

 

[SalixIncendium]

**THREAD MOVED TO EVOLUTION VS. CREATIONISM**​

 

[Subduction Zone]

You err because the flood is a worldwide event and what happened changed much of the world.

Here is just another fail for the old dumb Big Bang theory.

James Webb telescope spots thousands of Milky Way lookalikes that 'shouldn't exist' swarming across the early universe

Thousands of disk galaxies like our own Milky Way were spotted in the early universe, where they shouldn't exist.

www.yahoo.com

Too bad that you are extremely scientifically illiterate. Your empty claims and misinterpretations only seem impressive to others that quit learning in the third grade.

There is no joy in refuting the ignorance of the equivalent of a third grade child. Which is why I try to get the ignorant to learn the basics of science. But indoctrination from early childhood can leave a lasting scar. The fear of the ignorant is palpable. They will as a result break most of the rules of their book of myths in a vane attempt to defend it.

 

[metis]

Or some that just know the truth imo

Or they claim to know.

 

[F1fan]

I am glad that you believe the scriptures. After the fall God did curse the earth. Also disease, sickness and death are part of the fall, So that may explain why some are toxic. In that case, it may just be raw miraculous power of God that did that.

Can you explain why you are interpreting these stories literally? Who told you to do this?

And all theories must withstand all falsification tests else it is not the scientific method.

Which evolution has withstood. Your rejection and denial of the science means nothing to all the experts in the world. They don't assume the Bible, or Quran, or Mormon Bible, or Urantia Book as literally true, and conduct work based on facts and data, and an objective methodology. Science requires the fewest number of assumptions possible, and assuming Bible stories as true is not warranted. Bible stories are not factual. You have not explained why you assume they are true.

Evolution and billions of years have been falsified forevper.

The observations inform us that the universe is about 14 billion years old. These are facts that you can't dispute by interpreting the Bible iterally. Only certain types of Christians believe the Bible is literally true, and this is a religious belief that isn't justified.

Can you present facts to the contrary?