Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

[Dan From Smithville]

Just seems like a cosmic level of stupidity.

I don't think there is a limit to the rationalization and denial that people can go to in order to support a cherished belief or interpretation of that belief no matter how absurd or contradictory the rationalization and denial may be. Look at all the attempts to make the Genesis flood into a real event.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Any celestial object that is 1 billion light years away.

No assumptions are allowed.
You have assumed that the speed of light at great distances from the earth is what we measure near the earth. Suppose it is infinite along the line of sight.

Now you are no going to like this and you will hem and haw, but there is a worse assumption.
The no God assumption. Even the atheists admit that there is no way to prove that there is no God.
And yet you have assumed no God.
When God made all the stars in space He also made the light reach all the way to earth.
Genesis 1 gives the hint.

As to red shift it is probably a measure of distance to the object.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Not to quibble but this is not precise. All sciences have base predicate axioms which are assumed, ergo assumptions.

That is correct.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

My avatar is a modern human skull (cro magnon), it's 22000 years old. It can be seen at le Musee National de Prehistoire at Les Eyzies in France. The dating documentation is available, it has been dated using 3 different methods that all agree within less than 0.05%

The dating of objects beyond about 4000 years ago is dubious science and based on an assumption.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

The dating of objects beyond about 4000 years ago is dubious science and based on an assumption.

Since you made a claim, it's your responsibility to substantiate it.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No assumptions are allowed.
You have assumed that the speed of light at great distances from the earth is what we measure near the earth. Suppose it is infinite along the line of sight.

You're assuming the speed of light varies at greater distance and with much less evidence and reason than assuming it the same.

I'm so sorry.

Now you are no going to like this and you will hem and haw, but there is a worse assumption.
The no God assumption. Even the atheists admit that there is no way to prove that there is no God.
And yet you have assumed no God.

Is assuming there is no God or god the same as recognizing a lack of objective evidence for God or a god?

When God made all the stars in space He also made the light reach all the way to earth.
Genesis 1 gives the hint.

I don't agree. I think you suffer another fallacy here to get the answer you want.

As to red shift it is probably a measure of distance to the object.

Yes, a great deal of distance.

I expected this sort of approach to your no assumptions rule. To bad you can't make it work for your end of the deal.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The dating of objects beyond about 4000 years ago is dubious science and based on an assumption.

So no real evidence, just wishful thinking. Didn't see that coming.

 

[F1fan]

No assumptions are allowed.

It's an observation, not an asumption.

You have assumed that the speed of light at great distances from the earth is what we measure near the earth. Suppose it is infinite along the line of sight.

So if every observation is based on assumptions, and you don;t allow assumptions, then why did you start this thread since no one can assert any fact?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Here is something well past 6000 years old and it's still alive.

In fact, it's well in the range of 45, 000 years old.

Scientists Revive 48,500-Year-Old Virus, Setting World Record

As temperatures rise because of climate change, melting permafrost could cause dormant diseases to re-emerge, researchers warn

www.smithsonianmag.com

/thread.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The dating of objects beyond about 4000 years ago is dubious science and based on an assumption.

I have an hypothesis that you can help me test. In fact, you've already started. Thanks.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

This seems so ridiculously easy, that I'm interested to see where you are going. I'll give an example of something more that 6000 years old to get the ball rolling.

The Chinese civilization. This is supported by historical evidence.

I like the calendar idea. It is a count and if the count is reliable, then counting years would be without an assumption.
It is about year 4720 in the Chinese calendar. The flood was about 4600 years ago and 8 on the ark. The Hindu - Cush mountains are not far. So Cush probably was in that area not long after the flood.

So the Chinese calendar may have proved the worldwide flood.

The Hebrew year is 5784. That year probably comes the OT with Adam cerated on day 6 and the genealogies with the age of each father and the named son.

Homo Sapiens have supposedly been around for about 300,000 years. Cro-Magnon for about 40,000 years.
No one was smart enough to count years. That makes no sense.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No assumptions are allowed.
You have assumed that the speed of light at great distances from the earth is what we measure near the earth. Suppose it is infinite along the line of sight.



Now you are no going to like this and you will hem and haw, but there is a worse assumption.
The no God assumption. Even the atheists admit that there is no way to prove that there is no God.
And yet you have assumed no God.
When God made all the stars in space He also made the light reach all the way to earth.
Genesis 1 gives the hint.

As to red shift it is probably a measure of distance to the object.

No one is assuming no God. People only need a God that does not lie.

As to changing the laws of physics that would makes its own evidence so it is not an assumption to conclude that the velocity of light is constant.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I like the calendar idea. It is a count and if the count is reliable, then counting years would be without an assumption.
It is about year 4720 in the Chinese calendar. The flood was about 4600 years ago and 8 on the ark. The Hindu - Cush mountains are not far. So Cush probably was in that area not long after the flood.

So the Chinese calendar may have proved the worldwide flood.

The Hebrew year is 5784. That year probably comes the OT with Adam cerated on day 6 and the genealogies with the age of each father and the named son.

Homo Sapiens have supposedly been around for about 300,000 years. Cro-Magnon for about 40,000 years.
No one was smart enough to count years. That makes no sense.

I agree. This makes no sense.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Here is something well past 6000 years old and it's still alive.

In fact, it's well in the range of 45, 000 years old.

Scientists Revive 48,500-Year-Old Virus, Setting World Record

As temperatures rise because of climate change, melting permafrost could cause dormant diseases to re-emerge, researchers warn

www.smithsonianmag.com

/thread.

How did they determine the age?
Did you notice that the age given is not a scientific number at all?

 

[Colt]

No assumptions are allowed.
You have assumed that the speed of light at great distances from the earth is what we measure near the earth. Suppose it is infinite along the line of sight.

Now you are no going to like this and you will hem and haw, but there is a worse assumption.
The no God assumption. Even the atheists admit that there is no way to prove that there is no God.
And yet you have assumed no God.
When God made all the stars in space He also made the light reach all the way to earth.
Genesis 1 gives the hint.

As to red shift it is probably a measure of distance to the object.

I’m a believer, the speed of light is a constant, radiometric decay rates are consistent with materials in our solar system that continue to bombard the earth. The Israelites invented now discredited young earth Genesis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I like the calendar idea. It is a count and if the count is reliable, then counting years would be without an assumption.
It is about year 4720 in the Chinese calendar. The flood was about 4600 years ago and 8 on the ark. The Hindu - Cush mountains are not far. So Cush probably was in that area not long after the flood.

So the Chinese calendar may have proved the worldwide flood.

The Hebrew year is 5784. That year probably comes the OT with Adam cerated on day 6 and the genealogies with the age of each father and the named son.

Homo Sapiens have supposedly been around for about 300,000 years. Cro-Magnon for about 40,000 years.
No one was smart enough to count years. That makes no sense.

Sorry, you do not get to assume a flood. All of the scientific evidence tells us that there was no flood. You are once again proposing a lying God.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

How did they determine the age?
Did you notice that the age given is not a scientific number at all?

It doesn't have to be expressed in scientific notation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How did they determine the age?
Did you notice that the age given is not a scientific number at all?

You would need to go to the primary literature for that. It would be part of the research.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

How did they determine the age?
Did you notice that the age given is not a scientific number at all?

You can question things, but if you want to challenge them you need more than denial.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

I’m a believer, the speed of light is a constant, radiometric decay rates are consistent with materials in our solar system that continue to bombard the earth. The Israelites invented now discredited young earth Genesis.

When you say you are a believer, what do you mean.
I am glad you said that you believe and not no. That would require assumption.

This is just a preliminary list, more is coming.
How does one explain polystrate trees?
How does one explain soft tissue and blood vessels in dinosaur tissue?
How does one explain dinosaur tissue with DNA and other biomolecules still being intact?
How does one explain dinosaur tissue, and diamonds that are not C-14 dead?
Why is there too much C-14 in some samples of coal and fossilized wood?
How do you explain parentless polonium 210 radiohaloes in granites?
How do you explain elliptical polonium 210 halos in the same strata with circular halos?
There is a great deception in some of the ages that are quoted by evolutionists. Why the deception?
There are inconsistencies in the radioactive dating results of many things. So isochron dating has been used. But even then, there are many large discrepancies. Why?
The inconsistencies in the dating of things and in all “clocks” used to set the age of things can be simply explained if some miraculous events occurred. These would be 6-day creation, the fall of man and the curse on creation and the worldwide flood about 4500 years ago.
There is a lack of a 50-50 racemization of amino acids in fossils. Why?
There are discontinuous fossil sequences in the fossil record. Why?
Oil, coal, and opals can be formed rapidly under certain conditions. Why the deception?
The evidence is that the coal beads and fossilized wood were formed rapidly. Why?
There are missing layers representing millions of years. Why?
Why are there ephemeral markings at the boundaries of layers? That shows rapid deposit.
If intelligent man was around for 100,000 years or so, why did he not figure out how to drop a seed in the ground and farm?
History is too short. Why?
The Great Barrier reef is only 4200 years old; the oldest tree is only 4300 years old. Why?
The age of the Sahara Desert is only 4000 years old. Why?
There is too much helium in radioactive rocks. Why?
There is helium in old zircon crystals. Why?
Thick sedimentary rock layers bent beyond the fracturing point, yet not fractured. Why?
The Mississippi river delta and deltas around the world show the result of one large flood like the worldwide flood. Why?
The arms of spiral galaxies should no longer exist, but they do. Why?
There is not enough helium in the earth’s atmosphere to support an old atmosphere. Why?
There is not enough sediment at the bottom of the sea to support an old earth. Why?
High speed objects in globular clusters show that they are young. Why?
Living fossils invalidate not only the age and origin of the sedimentary rock but refute evolution over eons.
The natural direction of life is degeneration not evolution.
The genetic load in all creatures means they would have ceased to exist after so much time. They have not. Why?
The DNA, RNA, and proteins with some of these being enzymes is a triply interconnected irreducibly complex system. Evolution could not be the mechanism to produce these.
There are depictions of dinosaurs from ancient cultures. Why?
Job 40:15-19 describes a plant eating dinosaur, probably Brachiosaurus. Why?
Almost all ancient cultures have a record of a worldwide blood and a remnant saved on a great boat, sometimes 8 people. How do explain that?
All population growth statistics invalidate mankind being around for more than 6000 years old but match only 8 people being saved in the ark. This matches the world at the time of Christ and today.
It does not seem that there is enough force for the Indian sub-continent to have crashed into Asia and raised the Himalayan Mountain range with just plate tectonics. Why?
The dim young sun paradox invalidates long ages for the sun, evolution, and life on the earth.
The rate of recession of the moon from the earth limits the age of the moon.
The rapid decline of the Earth’s magnetic strength limits the age of the earth. Why?
The salt content of the oceans is too low for an old earth. Why?
The concentration of various minerals in the ocean limits the age of the oceans. Why?
The rock layers show no signs of erosion between layers. Why?
There is no time between rock layers for slow deposition. Why?
There is not enough erosion of continental plates for an old earth. Why?
Earth is not cooled enough for it to be old. Why?
Earth’s rotation rate is slowing for it to be old. Why?
Haeckel’s drawings were not accurate, yet his drawings are still used for evolution. Why the fraud?
Nebraska man was not a man. Why the fraud?
The Milken experiment is a disaster for evolutionists. Why the deception.
Beware of the old con “the building blocks of life”. Why the deception?