Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

[TagliatelliMonster]

Almost all rock layers were laid down by the worldwide flood. I doubt those that believe in evolution can tell the difference.

I know you can't tell the difference

 

[SkepticThinker]

If evolution is gradual, there should be millions of chains of missing links. All are missing. Why? They should be finding missing links every day. Why not?

There should also be partially developed organs, etc. in all individual creatures right now and that have ever lived. There are not why?

The odds against these 2 things are mind boggling. Just for the missing links, I estimate odds against of about 10^10 million to 1. The odds against the missing partially developed organs and functions is way vaster than that. I estimate odds against of about 10^10 billion billion billion to 1.

Of course, the odds against all the ordered sequences in all the DNA, RNA, and proteins in all creatures that ever lived is more than 10^43 to 1.

All of this has been refuted already. Several times over.
You can stop repeating yourself now. You have your answers to your outdated and inaccurate creationist talking points.

There is so such thing as a "partially developed organ." You betray the fact that you have no idea what evolution is every time you repeat this claim. Your error has been pointed out to you about 30 times now. Take in the new information and move on. Otherwise, you are showing us that you're not interested in learning and you've created this thread just to troll.

 

[SkepticThinker]

They have not found the missing links to anything. What a bunch of crap.

All the millions of chains of missing links are missing.

Here are great predictions from the Bible with exact timing made 2000 years ago. You are certainly a fulfillment of these and very many times.

Evil men and seducers waxing worse and worse. 2 Tim 3:13

Great delusion and deception in the last days. – 2 Thess 2

You call that "exact timing" ,,, ? Are you joking?

Neither of your verses mention time at all.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

I know you can't tell the difference

You call that "exact timing" ,,, ? Are you joking?

Neither of your verses mention time at all.

Of course with exact timing. Remember you have fulfilled many Biblical prophecies with exact timing and exact details very many times.

The Bible predicts many things that must happen in the last days. All these are predicted to happen from about 2000 to 3500 years ago. Not only were they predicted to happen in some indeterminate future but in a in our time.

Now to understand this exact timing, you must understand how they all line up and build up. The easiest way is by an analogy. There is a path. A person decides to walk along that path. This is analogous to the first prophecy coming true. For example, knowledge is increased in the last days. Knowledge has taken off and in increasing rapidly. That may have come true about 100 years ago. But it is still increasing rapidly, so it is still true. Is it exact timing? Yes, to the exact 100 years but even until this very day. This is the equivalent to the first person continuing his walk along the path. As another prophecy comes true, that is the equivalent to a second person joining the first person walking along the path. As each prophecy comes true, another person joins in this walk along the path until there are many walking along together.

First to establish the timing consider the following.

God created man by a direct act and not through evolution from lower life forms. This is clear from the following passages.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Gen 1:26-27

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. – Gen 2:7,21-23

The age of the earth is easily determined from the Bible, which is the true word of God. In Genesis 1, it is clear that God created all things, including the earth, the universe, the sun, the moon, the stars, all life and of course Adam and Eve on the 6th day. To determine the age of the earth, extensive genealogies are given along with the age at which each father begat the named sun. Historical kings are mentioned in the book of Daniel and elsewhere in the Old Testament. The command to rebuild the temple and the 70-week prophecy in Daniel gives 70x7=490 yrs. The Biblical precept of a day is a year is found in Numbers where the Israelites were punished to wander 40 years in the desert, a year for each day since they spied out the land of the Canaanites and did not believe what God could do.

Usher and Isaac Newton followed the same logic, and both determined the earth to have been created about 6000 years ago. There are others who have done the same thing. All the logic, all the real science and all the facts also confirm that the earth and everything in it is about 6000 years old.

Light is created early on the first day and separated from darkness. Thus, there is directional light from the very beginning. This is even before the sun is created on the 4th day. Directional light plus a rotating earth gives night and day. Thus, the days below are very close to 24 hrs. That is shown by the 6x “the evening and the morning” are used. The ordinal count of days also proves that these are 24-hour days.

5 … And the evening and the morning were the first day. 8 … And the evening and the morning were the second day. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen 1:5,8,13,19,23,31

God created all things in 6 days. He did it, knows how it was done and knows when it was done. So, God’s eyewitness testimony is 100% true. All supposed “science”, which disagrees, is therefore false. God spoke with His mouth 2x and wrote with His finger 2x the following. By the way Christ may have written the 10 commandants with His finger in the sand. He certainly used that to teach as it says “all taught of God” in John 6:45.

1 And God spake all these words, saying, 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exo 20:1,11

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. 18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. - Exo 31:17-18

And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. - Exo 32:16

And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. - Exo 34:1

The Lord Jesus Christ, who created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago, was there, did it and knows when it happened. The following 4 passages shows that Jesus Christ believed in 6-day recent creation. Many times throughout the Bible, creation, the fall, Cain and Abel, and the flood are spoken as real events.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? - Matt 19:4-5

6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. - Mark 10:6-9

As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: - Luke 1:70

50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. - Luke11:50-51

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Rom 1:20

A man names Henry Morris, a creation scientist, said that if you deny 6-day recent creation, you will also have to deny the worldwide flood in Noah’s day. The Atheistic Origin “Scientists” with there no God assumption will just not allow God, period. See the topic “Don’t be conned with the no God Assumption of Atheistic Origin Science”.

Almost all the sedimentary layers with their fossils are the result of the worldwide flood during the time of Noah, which occurred about 4500 years ago. A real scientific study of those layers proves it. There are many other scientific proofs of recent creation.

One last point is needed. The Bible gives a timeline for the time between creation and the creation of a new heaven and a new earth. It is 7000 years. The 1000 years reign of Christ is yet to come. It comes after the pre-trib rapture and the almost 7-year tribulation. The 6-day creation, which is 6 consecutive 24-hour days is also actually a prophecy and gives the timeline. Peter wrote:

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. – 2 Peter 3:8

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: - 2 Peter 3:5-6

Now the word of God says:

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. – Amos 3:7

So, God reveals things to His prophets who wrote it done. All the Bible is written as prophecy (see 2 Peter 1:22).

So, God cannot rapture His church and bring tribulation unless He revealed it to His prophets who wrote it done. In fact, all the Bible is lit up with fulfilled prophecy of things that must be just before the rapture. The amazing thing is not even that all these things were prophesied to happen but to happen at exactly our time. You see any can say man will have increased knowledge in some indeterminate future time. But the exact timing is given by scripture written about 2000 to 3500 years ago. The exact timing is given by the 6000-year age of the earth and the timeline given by the Bible. This is just another great proof that the Bible is the very true word of God Almighty. God Himself gave that as a proof in the Chapters Isa 41-47.

22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you. – Isa 41:22-24

So now, in our very time, all these things should be coming to pass. As Christ said:

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. – Matt 24:32-33

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Of course with exact timing. Remember you have fulfilled many Biblical prophecies with exact timing and exact details very many times.

The Bible predicts many things that must happen in the last days. All these are predicted to happen from about 2000 to 3500 years ago. Not only were they predicted to happen in some indeterminate future but in a in our time.

Now to understand this exact timing, you must understand how they all line up and build up. The easiest way is by an analogy. There is a path. A person decides to walk along that path. This is analogous to the first prophecy coming true. For example, knowledge is increased in the last days. Knowledge has taken off and in increasing rapidly. That may have come true about 100 years ago. But it is still increasing rapidly, so it is still true. Is it exact timing? Yes, to the exact 100 years but even until this very day. This is the equivalent to the first person continuing his walk along the path. As another prophecy comes true, that is the equivalent to a second person joining the first person walking along the path. As each prophecy comes true, another person joins in this walk along the path until there are many walking along together.

First to establish the timing consider the following.

God created man by a direct act and not through evolution from lower life forms. This is clear from the following passages.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Gen 1:26-27

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. – Gen 2:7,21-23

The age of the earth is easily determined from the Bible, which is the true word of God. In Genesis 1, it is clear that God created all things, including the earth, the universe, the sun, the moon, the stars, all life and of course Adam and Eve on the 6th day. To determine the age of the earth, extensive genealogies are given along with the age at which each father begat the named sun. Historical kings are mentioned in the book of Daniel and elsewhere in the Old Testament. The command to rebuild the temple and the 70-week prophecy in Daniel gives 70x7=490 yrs. The Biblical precept of a day is a year is found in Numbers where the Israelites were punished to wander 40 years in the desert, a year for each day since they spied out the land of the Canaanites and did not believe what God could do.

Usher and Isaac Newton followed the same logic, and both determined the earth to have been created about 6000 years ago. There are others who have done the same thing. All the logic, all the real science and all the facts also confirm that the earth and everything in it is about 6000 years old.

Light is created early on the first day and separated from darkness. Thus, there is directional light from the very beginning. This is even before the sun is created on the 4th day. Directional light plus a rotating earth gives night and day. Thus, the days below are very close to 24 hrs. That is shown by the 6x “the evening and the morning” are used. The ordinal count of days also proves that these are 24-hour days.

5 … And the evening and the morning were the first day. 8 … And the evening and the morning were the second day. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen 1:5,8,13,19,23,31

God created all things in 6 days. He did it, knows how it was done and knows when it was done. So, God’s eyewitness testimony is 100% true. All supposed “science”, which disagrees, is therefore false. God spoke with His mouth 2x and wrote with His finger 2x the following. By the way Christ may have written the 10 commandants with His finger in the sand. He certainly used that to teach as it says “all taught of God” in John 6:45.

1 And God spake all these words, saying, 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Exo 20:1,11

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. 18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. - Exo 31:17-18

And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables. - Exo 32:16

And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. - Exo 34:1

The Lord Jesus Christ, who created all things in 6 days about 6000 years ago, was there, did it and knows when it happened. The following 4 passages shows that Jesus Christ believed in 6-day recent creation. Many times throughout the Bible, creation, the fall, Cain and Abel, and the flood are spoken as real events.

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? - Matt 19:4-5

6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. - Mark 10:6-9

As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: - Luke 1:70

50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. - Luke11:50-51

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Rom 1:20

A man names Henry Morris, a creation scientist, said that if you deny 6-day recent creation, you will also have to deny the worldwide flood in Noah’s day. The Atheistic Origin “Scientists” with there no God assumption will just not allow God, period. See the topic “Don’t be conned with the no God Assumption of Atheistic Origin Science”.

Almost all the sedimentary layers with their fossils are the result of the worldwide flood during the time of Noah, which occurred about 4500 years ago. A real scientific study of those layers proves it. There are many other scientific proofs of recent creation.

One last point is needed. The Bible gives a timeline for the time between creation and the creation of a new heaven and a new earth. It is 7000 years. The 1000 years reign of Christ is yet to come. It comes after the pre-trib rapture and the almost 7-year tribulation. The 6-day creation, which is 6 consecutive 24-hour days is also actually a prophecy and gives the timeline. Peter wrote:

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. – 2 Peter 3:8

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: - 2 Peter 3:5-6

Now the word of God says:

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. – Amos 3:7

So, God reveals things to His prophets who wrote it done. All the Bible is written as prophecy (see 2 Peter 1:22).

So, God cannot rapture His church and bring tribulation unless He revealed it to His prophets who wrote it done. In fact, all the Bible is lit up with fulfilled prophecy of things that must be just before the rapture. The amazing thing is not even that all these things were prophesied to happen but to happen at exactly our time. You see any can say man will have increased knowledge in some indeterminate future time. But the exact timing is given by scripture written about 2000 to 3500 years ago. The exact timing is given by the 6000-year age of the earth and the timeline given by the Bible. This is just another great proof that the Bible is the very true word of God Almighty. God Himself gave that as a proof in the Chapters Isa 41-47.

22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you. – Isa 41:22-24

So now, in our very time, all these things should be coming to pass. As Christ said:

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. – Matt 24:32-33

 

[Polymath257]

Almost all rock layers were laid down by the worldwide flood. I doubt those that believe in evolution can tell the difference.

Oh, that is easy enough to tell. For example, igneous rock will NOT have been laid down during a flood (since it comes from volcanic activity).

Similarly, deposits like the white cliffs of Dover cannot have been laid down quickly. Instead, because of the chemistry, they cannot deposit faster than about half a millimeter per year. Even if you want to multiply that rate by a factor of 10, the *minimum* amount of time for deposition of a 500 meter layer is 100,000 years. There is simply no way that the whole structure could have been formed in the 6000 years you suggest.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Oh, that is easy enough to tell. For example, igneous rock will NOT have been laid down during a flood (since it comes from volcanic activity).

Similarly, deposits like the white cliffs of Dover cannot have been laid down quickly. Instead, because of the chemistry, they cannot deposit faster than about half a millimeter per year. Even if you want to multiply that rate by a factor of 10, the *minimum* amount of time for deposition of a 500 meter layer is 100,000 years. There is simply no way that the whole structure could have been formed in the 6000 years you suggest.

Uniformatarianism has been is a false science. Catastaphism is real science. So you attempt at calculation makes no sense at all. It is nonsense.
I have highlighted your grievous error above.
The cliffs of Dover were laid down during the flood.
And almost all igneous rocks are from the flood also.

Where did the universe come from?
If the explanation is the Bing Bang with or without inflation, what was there before that?
If there was nothing before the Big Bang, then that breaks cause and effect. It also violates every law of conservation too.
If there was something before that, what caused the thing that was before the Big Bang to come into being?
If that thing always existed, that violates the law of increasing entropy.
If that thing has not always existed, what was there before the thing that was prior our universe to come into being?
Please continue this until you get something that has always been.
And then that will violate the law of increasing entropy.

 

[Polymath257]

Uniformatarianism has been is a false science. Catastaphism is real science. So you attempt at calculation makes no sense at all. It is nonsense.

And this is why I asked if we can use the known laws of physics to determine what happened in the past.

Catastrophism was considered and found wanting 200 years ago. Sorry, it simply doesn't work. And no, a naive view of uniformitarianism also fails.

In the case of the white cliffs of Dover, I considered the possibility that the rates involved were much different in the past than they *could* be now. And that showed that 6000 years is 8way* to small of a time interval.

And, if these were the only evidence of a longer time period, that would be one thing. But they are very far from being so. We have ice cores that date back to 800,000 years. Even if you have a fantasy that 100 layers are put down in a year (which can be tested against known volcanic events recorded in the cores), that would still be longer than your claimed 6000 years.

Then we have lake varves that go back hundreds of thousands of years. Again, these are calibrated against known events so the readings cannot be off by the amounts required for your chronology.

Then we have the various types of radioactive dating. Carbon dating is only one of the many available. They work on different time scales and by different physical processes and, when used correctly, give consistent answers.

I have highlighted your grievous error above.
The cliffs of Dover were laid down during the flood.
And almost all igneous rocks are from the flood also.

Prove it. For that matter, give details of how igneous rocks formed under water in a way that does not show the effects of the water.

Where did the universe come from?
If the explanation is the Bing Bang with or without inflation, what was there before that?
If there was nothing before the Big Bang, then that breaks cause and effect. It also violates every law of conservation too.
If there was something before that, what caused the thing that was before the Big Bang to come into being?
If that thing always existed, that violates the law of increasing entropy.
If that thing has not always existed, what was there before the thing that was prior our universe to come into being?
Please continue this until you get something that has always been.
And then that will violate the law of increasing entropy.

None of which need to be answered to show the Earth is older than 6000 years.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh, that is easy enough to tell. For example, igneous rock will NOT have been laid down during a flood (since it comes from volcanic activity).

Similarly, deposits like the white cliffs of Dover cannot have been laid down quickly. Instead, because of the chemistry, they cannot deposit faster than about half a millimeter per year. Even if you want to multiply that rate by a factor of 10, the *minimum* amount of time for deposition of a 500 meter layer is 100,000 years. There is simply no way that the whole structure could have been formed in the 6000 years you suggest.

Yes but we had that argument about rocks and/or sediment being carried by lava a while back.

 

[Astrophile]

you get som

But they are not the same so the Creator made them different so that you would know they are not related .

That does not answer my question. A difference in chromosome number of only 2 can be explained by a single chromosome fusion event in one of two related lineages, whereas a difference of 40 or 50 would be compelling evidence that the human and chimpanzee lineages are not related.

Of course humans and chimpanzees are not the same, but that does not mean that we are not related. My cousins and I are not the same, but that does not change the fact that we have one set of grandparents in common.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

And this is why I asked if we can use the known laws of physics to determine what happened in the past.

Catastrophism was considered and found wanting 200 years ago. Sorry, it simply doesn't work. And no, a naive view of uniformitarianism also fails.

In the case of the white cliffs of Dover, I considered the possibility that the rates involved were much different in the past than they *could* be now. And that showed that 6000 years is 8way* to small of a time interval.

And, if these were the only evidence of a longer time period, that would be one thing. But they are very far from being so. We have ice cores that date back to 800,000 years. Even if you have a fantasy that 100 layers are put down in a year (which can be tested against known volcanic events recorded in the cores), that would still be longer than your claimed 6000 years.

Then we have lake varves that go back hundreds of thousands of years. Again, these are calibrated against known events so the readings cannot be off by the amounts required for your chronology.

Then we have the various types of radioactive dating. Carbon dating is only one of the many available. They work on different time scales and by different physical processes and, when used correctly, give consistent answers.

Prove it. For that matter, give details of how igneous rocks formed under water in a way that does not show the effects of the water.

None of which need to be answered to show the Earth is older than 6000 years.

The ice cores will have many layers when you consider the effects of the flood,
RIP uniformitarianism, long live catastrophism the real science.

 

[YoursTrue]

And this is why I asked if we can use the known laws of physics to determine what happened in the past.

Catastrophism was considered and found wanting 200 years ago. Sorry, it simply doesn't work. And no, a naive view of uniformitarianism also fails.

In the case of the white cliffs of Dover, I considered the possibility that the rates involved were much different in the past than they *could* be now. And that showed that 6000 years is 8way* to small of a time interval.

And, if these were the only evidence of a longer time period, that would be one thing. But they are very far from being so. We have ice cores that date back to 800,000 years. Even if you have a fantasy that 100 layers are put down in a year (which can be tested against known volcanic events recorded in the cores), that would still be longer than your claimed 6000 years.

Then we have lake varves that go back hundreds of thousands of years. Again, these are calibrated against known events so the readings cannot be off by the amounts required for your chronology.

Then we have the various types of radioactive dating. Carbon dating is only one of the many available. They work on different time scales and by different physical processes and, when used correctly, give consistent answers.

Prove it. For that matter, give details of how igneous rocks formed under water in a way that does not show the effects of the water.

None of which need to be answered to show the Earth is older than 6000 years.

I think this is part of the discussion regarding the length of each figurative day of creation. Every day has a close except for the 7th day. That day is not said to have ended. Thus, the creative days are not 24 hours each.

 

[YoursTrue]

That does not answer my question. A difference in chromosome number of only 2 can be explained by a single chromosome fusion event in one of two related lineages, whereas a difference of 40 or 50 would be compelling evidence that the human and chimpanzee lineages are not related.

Of course humans and chimpanzees are not the same, but that does not mean that we are not related. My cousins and I are not the same, but that does not change the fact that we have one set of grandparents in common.

I find it interesting looking back on the Genesis account that God created them man and woman. And however He did it, the woman came from the same genetic stock from the man.

 

[Valjean]

Uniformatarianism has been is a false science. Catastaphism is real science. So you attempt at calculation makes no sense at all. It is nonsense.

Both happen. Stable periods and massive events.

I have highlighted your grievous error above.
The cliffs of Dover were laid down during the flood.

By what mechanism? How could that possibly work?
Do you understand what the cliffs are made of

And almost all igneous rocks are from the flood also.

Lava laid down by a flood? I'd like to have seen that

Where did the universe come from?
If the explanation is the Bing Bang with or without inflation, what was there before that?
If there was nothing before the Big Bang, then that breaks cause and effect. It also violates every law of conservation too.
If there was something before that, what caused the thing that was before the Big Bang to come into being?
If that thing always existed, that violates the law of increasing entropy.
If that thing has not always existed, what was there before the thing that was prior our universe to come into being?
Please continue this until you get something that has always been.
And then that will violate the law of increasing entropy.

All irrelevant to the issues under consideration -- as has been pointed out to you multiple times. You have never explained how these would be relevant.

 

[Polymath257]

The ice cores will have many layers when you consider the effects of the flood,
RIP uniformitarianism, long live catastrophism the real science.

Nope. A flood would have *melted* layers and not laid down layers. And, again, we have layers going back hundreds of thousands of years. There is now way that could be done in a flood.

 

[YoursTrue]

Both happen. Stable periods and massive events.

By what mechanism? How could that possibly work?
Do you understand what the cliffs are made of

Lava laid down by a flood? I'd like to have seen that

All irrelevant to the issues under consideration -- as has been pointed out to you multiple times. You have never explained how these would be relevant.

I have come to the conclusion that the statements many evolutionists say cannot be explained except by vast conjecture.

 

[Astrophile]

I find it interesting looking back on the Genesis account that God created them man and woman. And however He did it, the woman came from the same genetic stock from the man.

This is another thing that puzzles me about the Genesis account. According to Genesis 2:18-20, God created all the animals and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. Presumably God knew enough to create male and female animals, even though it had not yet occurred to him to create a female human. Perhaps Adam was observant enough to notice that there were anatomical differences between individual mammals of the same kind, and to wonder both what these differences meant and why there were no humans with the same anatomical structures as female mammals.

By the way, the grammar of your second sentence is incorrect. It should be either 'the woman came from the same genetic stock as the man' or 'the woman came from a different genetic stock from the man'.

 

[YoursTrue]

Nope. A flood would have *melted* layers and not laid down layers. And, again, we have layers going back hundreds of thousands of years. There is now way that could be done in

This is another thing that puzzles me about the Genesis account. According to Genesis 2:18-20, God created all the animals and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. Presumably God knew enough to create male and female animals, even though it had not yet occurred to him to create a female human.

Where does it say that? True you presume but it doesn't say as you presume. I suggest you rephrase your concept there about that.

 

[YoursTrue]

This is another thing that puzzles me about the Genesis account. According to Genesis 2:18-20, God created all the animals and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. Presumably God knew enough to create male and female animals, even though it had not yet occurred to him to create a female human. Perhaps Adam was observant enough to notice that there were anatomical differences between individual mammals of the same kind, and to wonder both what these differences meant and why there were no humans with the same anatomical structures as female mammals.

By the way, the grammar of your second sentence is incorrect. It should be either 'the woman came from the same genetic stock as the man' or 'the woman came from a different genetic stock from the man'.

Ok I see your point about woman and man.

 

[Astrophile]

Yes but we had that argument about rocks and/or sediment being carried by lava a while back.

During that argument, it was explained to you at great length that sedimentary material is derived from the erosion of pre-existing rocks (which can be igneous, metamorphic or sedimentary) and that this eroded material is transported by water or wind and deposited as loose sediment which is consolidated by the pressure of more sedimentary material that accumulates on top of it.

Lava, on the other hand, is derived from the solidification and crystallisation of molten rock (magma). Its origin and its petrology are therefore quite different from those of sedimentary rocks.