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Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

SavedByTheLord

SavedByTheLord

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ratiocinator said:
[citation missing]

en.wikipedia.org

Age of Earth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
The age of Earth is estimated to be 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 10⁹ years ± 1%).

www.sciencefocus.com

How old is Earth? Our world's surprising age, explained

This is how old our home world is.
www.sciencefocus.com www.sciencefocus.com
The Earth is 4.54 billion years old, give or take 50 million years.

orbitaltoday.com

How old is the Earth? Earth's age explained - Orbital Today

What is the real age of the Earth, and how do we know it? How old is the Earth according to the Bible and the academic world?
orbitaltoday.com orbitaltoday.com
Scientists have calculated that the age of the Earth is approximately 4.54 billion years, with an error margin of +- 50 million years.

www.space.com

How Old Is Earth?

Here's how scientists figure out how old Earth is.
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...scientists have calculated that Earth is 4.54 billion years old, with an error range of 50 million years.
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Well at least these give an error range, but of course almost all “clocks” prove this number wrong.
But they did not show where did they get this error range, so that is still a problem,
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
SavedByTheLord said:
Well at least these give an error range, but of course almost all “clocks” prove this number wrong.
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Another evidence-free, unargued assertion.

SavedByTheLord said:
But they did not show where did they get this error range, so that is still a problem,
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Matthew 7:5. You have provided exactly zero evidence for your endless assertions.

The wiki article gives the methods as well as several references. IF you're not afraid, you can check it all out.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
SavedByTheLord said:
The Bible gives the dating because the Bible is the true word of the God who created all things.
God knows how He did it, when He did it and never lies.
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No, the Bible does that because it is a book of myths. The evidence tells us that it is. Its endless failures tell us that it is. Now you are claiming that your God is an incompetent failure. You can be a (at least mostly) rational Christian. You do not have to keep putting your own God down.

Also you said that God never lies. If God never lies then clearly Genesis cannot be read literally. You are too afraid to learn, but the scientific evidence is quite clear. When you claim that Genesis is historical you are also claiming that God is a liar.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
SavedByTheLord said:
Well at least these give an error range, but of course almost all “clocks” prove this number wrong.
But they did not show where did they get this error range, so that is still a problem,
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Until such time as you can properly support your 'clocks' claim, it will be dismissed as nothing more than your practiced wishful thinking.
 
SavedByTheLord

SavedByTheLord

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McBell said:
So many false claims in such a small amount of space
Are you trying to beat your record?
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You are vying for the record of the number of times someone has fulfilled any of a dozen Biblical prophecies.
The attack on Israel is fulfilled Biblical prophecies wit exact timing and detail made many centuries ago.
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
SavedByTheLord said:
You are vying for the record of the number of times someone has fulfilled any of a dozen Biblical prophecies.
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Yet another baseless, unargued assertion.

SavedByTheLord said:
The attack on Israel is fulfilled Biblical prophecies wit exact timing and detail made many centuries ago.
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So you keep on asserting. Where is the evidence? What verses specifically and what do you think they predicted.

Any fool can just say that such and such fulfils some supposed prophecy. You actually have to provide details if you want anybody to take you seriously.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
SavedByTheLord said:
You are vying for the record of the number of times someone has fulfilled any of a dozen Biblical prophecies.
The attack on Israel is fulfilled Biblical prophecies wit exact timing and detail made many centuries ago.
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Prove it. When you make claims like this and run away from reasonable demands that you support it you refute it yourself for others.

If your claim is true supply the prophecy. Justify the timing.
 
It Aint Necessarily So

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
SavedByTheLord said:
The Bible gives the dating because the Bible is the true word of the God who created all things.
God knows how He did it, when He did it and never lies.
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This is what it looks like when one holds a false and falsifiable belief by faith and has guessed incorrectly. If you had guessed correctly, you still wouldn't be able to defend your guess because you don't know how to construct a sound, evidenced argument that could convince a critical thinker. Somebody else would have to do that for you, but it could be done.

Even without that, the advantage to you is that you wouldn't be bombarded with evidence that refutes you. For example, suppose you had guessed that the theory of evolution was correct. You wouldn't be relegated to the unenviable role you have assumed. You wouldn't be able to rebut the creationists, either, but you could watch others do it and get a vicarious sense of satisfaction. Instead, you're Sisyphus and Tantalus combined with a touch of the boy who cried wolf, fated to this.

Shouldn't you be a little angry at your god for sending you out to do verbal battle with the informed on his behalf with no ammunition? Or maybe he's giving you the Job treatment just for the amusement.
 
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ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
SavedByTheLord said:
The Bible gives the dating because the Bible is the true word of the God who created all things.
God knows how He did it, when He did it and never lies.
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But the evidence in the world is unequivocal that the Earth and the universe are billions of years old. If you say the bible creation myth should be taken literally, then your god lied. Either it lied in the bible or it lied in the evidence left in its creation.
 
John53

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Subduction Zone said:
No, the Bible does that because it is a book of myths. The evidence tells us that it is. Its endless failures tell us that it is. Now you are claiming that your God is an incompetent failure. You can be a (at least mostly) rational Christian. You do not have to keep putting your own God down.

Also you said that God never lies. If God never lies then clearly Genesis cannot be read literally. You are too afraid to learn, but the scientific evidence is quite clear. When you claim that Genesis is historical you are also claiming that God is a liar.
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Abraham and Job might have a different opinion. God lied to them according to the bible.
 
SavedByTheLord

SavedByTheLord

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McBell said:
yeah, well, someone had to do it.
Right?
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Don't count your chicken before there hatched. The completion is tough.

What came first, the chicken or the egg? If you are going to put that off and try to work back to the first egg, what came first that egg of the creature that laid it.

What came first the inside parts of the first living thing or its protective covering?
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
SavedByTheLord said:
The Bible gives the dating because the Bible is the true word of the God who created all things.
God knows how He did it, when He did it and never lies.
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Only if you make certain assumptions, like God existing, the Bible actually being the word of God, that the stories are to be interpreted literally, and so on. None of these are based in fact, so your belief can be rejected.

What else do you have?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
SavedByTheLord said:
Don't count your chicken before there hatched. The completion is tough.

What came first, the chicken or the egg? If you are going to put that off and try to work back to the first egg, what came first that egg of the creature that laid it.

What came first the inside parts of the first living thing or its protective covering?
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You need to study on the concept of emergent processes. It is understood. Your inability to understand is not a refutation.
 
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