Jose Fly
Fisker of men
I've done that. Funny how poorly mediums and psychics perform when you don't answer their questions and write down everything they say. You should research "cold reading" to see what I'm talking about.
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CHALLENGE: Provide a Single Piece of Evidence that God Exists
- Thread starter sonofskeptish
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I.S.L.A.M617
Illuminatus
You're kidding me right? Bless your heart...
Wotan
Active Member
"The covenant with Abraham said that God would make him many nations, and
that he would always protect his seed which would number like the stars of
heaven or the sands by the sea. "
As a matter of simple fact this is NOT true. The TOTAL human population of the earth is less than the sand on one small island, less than the number of stars within 10 light years, less than the number of single celled organisms in a small pond, less the number of cells in one human body.
The bible authors simply had no idea how large these numbers actually are.
God forgot to tell them?
that he would always protect his seed which would number like the stars of
heaven or the sands by the sea. "
As a matter of simple fact this is NOT true. The TOTAL human population of the earth is less than the sand on one small island, less than the number of stars within 10 light years, less than the number of single celled organisms in a small pond, less the number of cells in one human body.
The bible authors simply had no idea how large these numbers actually are.
God forgot to tell them?
Peacewise
Active Member
God told them in language they could understand. There are lots of people, there are lots of stars, there are lots of grains of sand, it's accurate in context.
Can you provide evidence that he does?
If we take creation to be a part of "God", we no longer need to ask this question. Rather the question becomes "who or what am I then?". In my opinion this question is often asked at a young age before we become concerned with others definitions or "proof" of God's existence and it is the argument of God's existence which distracts us from really answering the challenge to "Know thyself".
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
It always interested me how they could know that the number of the stars could even compare to the sands by the sea.
McBell
Unbound
How does this help your argument?
You flat out admit that you cannot prove god exists.
That is the end of the "God Exists?" argument.
You failed.
I.S.L.A.M617
Illuminatus
The burden of proof is on those who would have us believe he does. It doesn't take any evidence to be a skeptic, just a questioning of the evidence (or lack thereof) provided. Faith does nothing for anyone but the individual. It's just a nicer-sounding way to say delusion.
byenvidnasi
New Member
This doesn't entirely answer your question, but according to our limited observation of the universe, everything has a cause. Even if you accept the big bang theory something must have caused those events, so that 'cause' in a sense is God, the creator. But of course that cause could have been completely natural.
McBell
Unbound
And you are right back to what caused God?
I mean, everything had to had a cause, right?
Now if god did not have to have a cause, why does the universe?
See the little circle that line of reasoning ends up in?
Wotan
Active Member
McBell
Unbound
Don't forget that they could count....
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
I'm sure somebody already said this, but I can't help myself.
Your choice to not believe in God proves the notion of free will.
Your choice to not believe in God proves the notion of free will.
Wotan
Active Member
Peacewise
Active Member
The question of proof of God has occurred to me many times recently, and always on forums, and especially with atheists.
I've come to a tentative conclusion, that follows, and it is one that may not necessarily apply to any person in particular, i.e. it is a useful generalization.
Those who are disrespectful require absolute proof of God to have ANY respect for believers or their view points. Whilst those who are respectful require NO proof of God to have respect for believers or their view points.
The proof of God, or even the proof of the non existence of God are both merely ways to avoid the most important issue - that we should respect each other regardless of our belief or non belief.
I've come to a tentative conclusion, that follows, and it is one that may not necessarily apply to any person in particular, i.e. it is a useful generalization.
Those who are disrespectful require absolute proof of God to have ANY respect for believers or their view points. Whilst those who are respectful require NO proof of God to have respect for believers or their view points.
The proof of God, or even the proof of the non existence of God are both merely ways to avoid the most important issue - that we should respect each other regardless of our belief or non belief.
How about overlapping genes? How about the recombination of some of the genes that code for antibodies? Do you have a good naturalistic explanation for those things?
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
When was the last time you went outside and could see billions of stars?
There still was no comparison to what you visually could see!