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Chauvin verdict is in. Guilty!!

We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Windwalker said:
Like storming the Capitol kind of thing? Wait, that was trying to overthrow the government. Sorry, different type of rioters.
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You're barking up the wrong tree. I don't condone what happened at the capital.
I also don't condone rioting and looting because someone doesn't like what happened.

Long story short... You cant fix a broken system by breaking laws.
 
RestlessSoul

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
We Never Know said:
Long story short... You cant fix a broken system by breaking laws.
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Sometimes you can. We don’t riot very often in the U.K., but when we do...

The Poll Tax riots in 1990 buried an unjust tax overnight. Not saying it’s right. Just that it can on occasion be effective.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Subduction Zone said:
It works on "Law and Order":rolleyes:
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Usually followed by a "withdrawn" before the defense can even object.

Yeah, I'm a Law & Order nerd. :D

Subduction Zone said:
I do agree that appeals to emotion should not be allowed in courts of law. But currently both sides use them. Unfortunately they do open the door to appeals when they are used. I t would be better if they were limited to arguing the merits of the case. Save the appeals to emotion for the editorials and other sources.
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Stevicus

Stevicus

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EXPLAINER: Can Chauvin get his convictions tossed on appeal? (apnews.com)

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The unique circumstances surrounding Derek Chauvin’s trial in George Floyd’s death could offer the former Minneapolis police officer some shot at winning a retrial on appeal, though most legal experts agree it’s a long shot.

Chauvin, who is white, kneeled on Floyd’s neck for nearly 9 1/2 minutes last May, killing the 46-year-old Black man and sparking some of the largest protests in U.S. history. His conviction on murder and manslaughter charges was seen by many across the country as a civil-rights milestone.

Here’s a look at some of the issues Chauvin’s lawyers might cite in their expected appeal, and their chances of prevailing.
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WHAT ARE POSSIBLE ISSUES THE DEFENSE COULD RAISE ON APPEAL?

The defense has said it was impossible for Chauvin to get a fair trial in Minneapolis because of pretrial publicity and community pressure on jurors to convict. That claim is sure to underpin any appeal.

As they arrived at and left the courthouse each day for testimony, jurors passed clear signs that the city was preparing for renewed protests. The courthouse downtown was encircled by razor wire and guarded by armed troops. Most storefront windows were boarded up.

A prime target of an appeal would be key rulings by trial Judge Peter Cahill, including that the trial should remain in Minneapolis rather than be moved and that jurors should be sequestered only for deliberations.

Cahill also refused to delay the trial after Minneapolis announced a $27 million settlement with Floyd’s family during jury selection. The defense says that suggested guilt before jurors even heard evidence.

The defense has decried as prosecutorial misconduct remarks by the state during closings, including that aspects of the defense case were “nonsense.” That claim could make its way into an appeal.

HAVE RETRIALS EVER BEEN GRANTED BECAUSE JURORS FELT PRESSURED?

Yes, though it’s rare.

A U.S. appeals court in 1999 vacated white Detroit police Officer Larry Nevers’ conviction in the beating death of a Black motorist, noting how at least one juror had learned the National Guard was on standby in case Nevers was acquitted and violence ensued.

“The Court cannot imagine a more prejudicial extraneous influence than that of a juror discovering that the City he or she resides in is bracing for a riot,” it said, adding that letting the conviction stand would send the wrong message that rights to an impartial jury “do not extend to an obviously guilty defendant.”

Similarly, an appeals court in Florida ordered a new trial for a plain-clothed Hispanic officer, William Lozano, who fatally shot Black motorcyclist Clement Lloyd in 1989. A passenger on the motorcycle also died. Protests erupted in Miami.
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Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I would have asked for a psychiatric expertise of this defendant.
Why would a cop kill a person for no reason ?
It is the most illogical, flawed thing that can happen in the Law Enforcement system.

A minimum of selection is necessary in the recruitment of these officers.
I think there is not.

I liken this case to the Cucchi Case in Italy. But the Cucchi Case is the result of a corrupt, unjust system of Law enforcement recruitement. Where ignorant, unskilled people are recruited as cops only because they have connections in the right places.
Whereas skilled people with two degrees won't be recruited unlesd they have these connection.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
I would have asked for a psychiatric expertise of this defendant.
Why would a cop kill a person for no reason ?
It is the most illogical, flawed thing that can happen in the Law Enforcement system.

A minimum of selection is necessary in the recruitment of these officers.
I think there is not.

I liken this case to the Cucchi Case in Italy. But the Cucchi Case is the result of a corrupt, unjust system of Law enforcement recruitement. Where ignorant, unskilled people are recruited as cops only because they have connections in the right places.
Whereas skilled people with two degrees won't be recruited unlesd they have these connection.
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An insanity plea would not have worked. In the U.S. just being a bit off one's rocker is not good enough. One must be so mentally ill that the sky is purple in their world. If a person can be shown to know the difference between right and wrong it is very hard to win such a plea. Chauvin may be a heartless jerk, but that is not legally insane.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Shaul said:
“Unintentional murder” is an oxymoron. Murder is an intentional act.
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In legalese words can have different meanings than those that we are used to:

Good Question: What's The Difference Between First, Second and Third Degree Murder?

An unintentional second-degree murder would be when someone is killed during another felony, like robbing a convenience store.

To be found guilty of the Second Degree Murder charge in this case he had to be found guilty of at least one of the lesser charges.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Subduction Zone said:
An insanity plea would not have worked. In the U.S. just being a bit off one's rocker is not good enough. One must be so mentally ill that the sky is purple in their world. If a person can be shown to know the difference between right and wrong it is very hard to win such a plea. Chauvin may be a heartless jerk, but that is not legally insane.
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Indeed. I am absolutely convinced he is not mentally ill. But a psychiatrist would have provided the Court with the motivations behind such an illogical act.

Also to understand who recruited and trained this man. Where he learnt that unjustified brutality.
I love criminology because criminologists study the psyche of the culprit to prevent crimes from happening.
 
Shaul

Shaul

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Premium Member
Subduction Zone said:
In legalese words can have different meanings than those that we are used to:

Good Question: What's The Difference Between First, Second and Third Degree Murder?

An unintentional second-degree murder would be when someone is killed during another felony, like robbing a convenience store.

To be found guilty of the Second Degree Murder charge in this case he had to be found guilty of at least one of the lesser charges.
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Words have meanings. I stand by my statement. The idiots that crafted the language of the statute were wrong.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
We Never Know said:
Count one - second-degree unintentional murder...Guilty
Count two - third-degree murder...Guilty
Count three - second-degree manslaughter...Guilty

Justice served in my opinion.

Now if the riot's start because that's just what some want to do and have been waiting for. That will ruin the justice

Filing for mistrial will be filed and then we all will go through it all again

Edit.

https://www-clickondetroit-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2021/04/20/jury-finds-derek-chauvin-guilty-of-all-charges-in-george-floyds-death/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&outputType=amp&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA==#aoh=16189544380590&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2021/04/20/jury-finds-derek-chauvin-guilty-of-all-charges-in-george-floyds-death/
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NOW......let's be realistic

picture yourself on the jury......yes you can

what happens if you fail to convict?

your house?
your relatives?
 
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