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Child dies while parents forgo doctor, rely on prayer.

McBell

McBell

Unbound
Charity said:
I did like the joke and it really fits with this story......about the little girl.

Her dad was holding prayer service, said it was a test of faith....He was saying God help my daughter and God probably thought, you Idiot I already have, I have sent you doctors for just such a time as this. :confused:
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Or perhaps God said that she is not worthy of a miracle.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
mball1297 said:
"The family believes in the Bible, which says healing comes from God..."

That's from the article. That's my point.
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of course healing come from God. i have no doubt about it. you do the work which means you're asking for healing (or whatever it is you work for), success/healing given by God. therefor sometimes even medicines do not work.

and still, that is not religion, that's ignorance.


 
Magic Man

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
.lava said:
of course healing come from God. i have no doubt about it. you do the work which means you're asking for healing (or whatever it is you work for), success/healing given by God. therefor sometimes even medicines do not work.

and still, that is not religion, that's ignorance.
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Yes, there was ignorance involved, too, but it was religious ignorance. There religion told them that healing comes from God, and so they waited for healing to come from God. Therefore their religion caused them to not get help from doctors.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
mball1297 said:
Yes, there was ignorance involved, too, but it was religious ignorance. There religion told them that healing comes from God, and so they waited for healing to come from God. Therefore their religion caused them to not get help from doctors.
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i would have to disagree because Islam also says healing comes from God. but it also says if you want something you should work for it. almost nothing comes without putting some effort in it -both material and mental. not using your intellect is ignorance i guess. what they did was like jumping out of window thinking 'if i am supposed to live God would catch me. that is ignorance and challenge. if you use your intellect then you would not challenge God. they should have considered to be able to find a doctor was from God as well, to be able to know what disease she had was from God too, there was known cure ready for her...all of these facts and more was healing from God and they did not take it. but when they feel thirsty they know how to get up and grab a glass and fill it with water and they know how to drink it. it is their ignorance they did not think this way. it is not religion it is ignorance.


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Magic Man

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
.lava said:
i would have to disagree because Islam also says healing comes from God. but it also says if you want something you should work for it. almost nothing comes without putting some effort in it -both material and mental. not using your intellect is ignorance i guess. what they did was like jumping out of window thinking 'if i am supposed to live God would catch me. that is ignorance and challenge. if you use your intellect then you would not challenge God. they should have considered to be able to find a doctor was from God as well, to be able to know what disease she had was from God too, there was known cure ready for her...all of these facts and more was healing from God and they did not take it. but when they feel thirsty they know how to get up and grab a glass and fill it with water and they know how to drink it. it is their ignorance they did not think this way. it is not religion it is ignorance.


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I agree. It was religion that told them what to do, though. Most people don't do this because they use their intellect along with their religion. These people didn't use their intellect, just their religion. Many times faith without understanding is promoted in some religions, such as Christianity. That's what they did in this case, they believed in God blindly.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
mball1297 said:
I agree. It was religion that told them what to do, though. Most people don't do this because they use their intellect along with their religion. These people didn't use their intellect, just their religion. Many times faith without understanding is promoted in some religions, such as Christianity. That's what they did in this case, they believed in God blindly.
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i do not think it is Christianity mball1297. faith without understanding is what politics ask from masses. in religion that is not how it works. in religion you learn, you try to understand. in case you coincide something you can't grasp then you hold on to your faith. only when you can't explain faith takes over.

they were not blinded by faith in God. they were blinded by ignorance. if something is not within your power, you hold on to faith. that kind of situations called destiny which means there is nothing you can do about it. if it is within your power and if you chose not to use it that is not destiny. that is a decision. that's what they did. they made a decision. cure (by any means such as hospital, money...etc) was not out of reach. if it was out of reach, if they were lost in desert, away from civilization, in that case, their attitude would be the rightest one, just to pray to God.


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Magic Man

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
.lava said:
i do not think it is Christianity mball1297. faith without understanding is what politics ask from masses. in religion that is not how it works. in religion you learn, you try to understand. in case you coincide something you can't grasp then you hold on to your faith. only when you can't explain faith takes over.

they were not blinded by faith in God. they were blinded by ignorance. if something is not within your power, you hold on to faith. that kind of situations called destiny which means there is nothing you can do about it. if it is within your power and if you chose not to use it that is not destiny. that is a decision. that's what they did. they made a decision. cure (by any means such as hospital, money...etc) was not out of reach. if it was out of reach, if they were lost in desert, away from civilization, in that case, their attitude would be the rightest one, just to pray to God.


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Well, we disagree, then. I will just add that sometimes politics, or a government, asks faith without understanding from the people, sometimes it doesn't. If these people had not been introduced to the Bible, they would not have had reservations about getting medical help for their daughter.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
mball1297 said:
Well, we disagree, then. I will just add that sometimes politics, or a government, asks faith without understanding from the people, sometimes it doesn't. If these people had not been introduced to the Bible, they would not have had reservations about getting medical help for their daughter.
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that would be unfair mball1297,
i've met many Christians. none of them would do such a thing. they read the same Bible. they were introduced to Bible. why would not they refuse help from doctors? they are Christians too. what do you think?


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Magic Man

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
.lava said:
that would be unfair mball1297,
i've met many Christians. none of them would do such a thing. they read the same Bible. they were introduced to Bible. why would not they refuse help from doctors? they are Christians too. what do you think?


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That's why I said before, that most people don't do this because they use common sense along with the teachings of their religion. These people only used the teachings of their religion (or what they perceived as the teachings of their religion). It's not unfair. I never said that this happens all the time, or that all Christians are like this. All I said was that sometimes religion causes bad stuff like this to happen. Again, if these people hadn't read the Bible, their daughter would not have died.
 
.lava

.lava

Veteran Member
mball1297 said:
That's why I said before, that most people don't do this because they use common sense along with the teachings of their religion. These people only used the teachings of their religion (or what they perceived as the teachings of their religion). It's not unfair. I never said that this happens all the time, or that all Christians are like this. All I said was that sometimes religion causes bad stuff like this to happen. Again, if these people hadn't read the Bible, their daughter would not have died.
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i meant that would be unfair to other Christians:)
if a kid has diabetic disease and if she does not take medicine, you do not really need common sense to know she would die. anyone would. if someone does not die, then that would be a miracle. that kind of miracles happen in desperate situations. if there was medicine then there is no need for miracle. all you need to do is to think to know that. they did not. that is my point. that's why i say it is not religion. it is ignorance of individual. religion does not teach not to use your intellect. if it was not Bible they red, if it was Qur'an they would probably be ignorant Muslims. this has nothing to do with what they've heard. it is how they understood it.

healing comes from God basicly means, 'do not be thankful to medicines. be thankful to God for letting them work'.

there's an example from Prophet's life. his follower has a disease and he comes and requests a pray from Prophet. Prophet asks if he took any medicines. guy says no. Prophet tells him to take medicines so he would have the face to ask for healing.

we have very weird ignorant examples about this kind of stuff too. ignorance is international organization.
 
Heneni

Heneni

Miss Independent
When I get into a serious accident that leaves me on life support or I develop a terminal desease, i wouldnt want to have medical intervention. Dont want any transplants either to save my life.

Even though I have great admiration for what science has achieved, and even though science could probably save my life, I am saved already, and my time is my time.

Id rather go

I love this life, but I have confidence that whatever happens to my life, my real life is hidden in Christ.

If I have a cold, or I have any other minor discomforting medical issues, I go to the doctor of course, but none of these would be life threatening. I only feel this way because when it comes to my life, living or dying, I leave that in God's hands. And if my time is up, i wouldnt want to extend it to stay here.

If dont have the right to make that choice for anybody else.

I think the parents of that little girl should have seeked medical attention for her.

Heneni
 
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