Child forced into marriage dies during childbirth, as does baby.

[Father Heathen]

Yemeni girl, 12, dies in painful childbirth - CNN.com

Praise Allah?

 

[Mr Cheese]

barbaric to westerners...

Women are property in many Islamic cultures....

The article even mentions finacial burden,....afterall men earn..women dont.

I suggest watching Osama, the movie, about a young girl in Afghanistan..its harrowing and horriffic..but an eye opener

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_(film)

Man's got his woman to take his seed
He's got the power - oh
She's got the need
She spends her life through pleasing up her man
She feeds him dinner or anything she can

She cries alone at night too often
He smokes and drinks and don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

Man makes your hair gray
He's your life's mistake
All you're really lookin' for is an even break

He lies right at you
You know you hate this game
He slaps you once in a while and you live and love in pain

She cries alone at night too often
He smokes and drinks and don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

Black eyes all of the time
Don't spend a dime
Clean up this grime
And you there down on your knees begging me please come
Watch me bleed

Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

(I particulary like the Tori Amos cover version of this song)

 

[England my lionheart]

This says a lot about Sharia Law as it does'nt stipulate a minimum age for Marriage and the Marriage of Muhammed to Aisha which some use as a precedent to Marry Children,this makes me angry sick and sad.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Those of us who live in western civilizations are often biased by our notions of "human rights" and the like, and have a hard time appreciating the superior, noble simplicity of barbaric, misogynistic cultures.

 

[Smoke]

This says a lot about Sharia Law as it does'nt stipulate a minimum age for Marriage and the Marriage of Muhammed to Aisha which some use as a precedent to Marry Children,this makes me angry sick and sad.

It's a stupid argument anyway. If Sharia said the minimum age was 6, and legislators imposed a minimum age of 17, that wouldn't be a violation of Sharia. Only a minimum below the Sharia minimum would be a violation of it.

They are arguing not only that the civil law must not violate Sharia, but that the civil law must be silent where Sharia is silent. I strongly suspect that this principle is not applied across the board in all areas of Yemeni law.

 

[Father Heathen]

Sharia Law is a disgusting embarrassment to the modern, civilized world, as is their demand that their inhumanity and barbarism be respected and revered by the rest of the world.

 

[Tiapan]

Iran is far better the age there is 13 (city) or 9 (rural). I guess thats why there are no islamic pedophiles. They "marry" the evidence.

 

[.lava]

Yemeni girl, 12, dies in painful childbirth - CNN.com

Praise Allah?

it has nothing to do with sharia of Allah.







.

 

[Father Heathen]

I guess thats why there are no pedophiles in Islam.

Poor little Aisha would bet to differ.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Poor little Aisha would bet to differ.

Pfft - well she should stop complaining and respect the authority of her husband.

 

[Ichiraku_raman]

This says a lot about Sharia Law as it does'nt stipulate a minimum age for Marriage and the Marriage of Muhammed to Aisha which some use as a precedent to Marry Children,this makes me angry sick and sad.

The circumstances of the Prophet's marriage to Aisha were very different. Back then, women were indeed looked upon as property, so child marriage was not taboo. Aisha was married to him so that someone with a sharp memory could be around the Prophet at all times and thus be able to memorize all his precious words. But Islam tells us to follow the way of society, which means that now that child marriage is considered taboo, it should be avoided except under certain circumstances, for instance, if a girl's father dies in leaving her in poverty, or during a war, leaving no one to protect her. It has become quite uncommon, which is why such cases are so highlighted. The article says that her death was due to lack of medical care, not due to child marriage. In general, with the need for higher education, the phenomenon of early marriage has shrunk. If after attaining maturity, the girl does not like the person she is married to, she has the full right to annul it. Unlike the West, Islam defines the child as the one below the age of puberty. Once boys and girls reach puberty, they are children no more, and that is when they attain maturity. Thus, a girl of 16 or 17 is considered a full grown female with a free choice and her decision to get married is not considered early.
In Islam premarital relations are not allowed under any circumstances, and they are looked upon as fornication. Illegitimate pregnancies are not acceptable in this religion. Thus, the only way for adults (those who have reached puberty) to satisfy such needs is to get married according to their own personal choice and to have legitimate children
Therefore, teenage sex is recognized in both Islam and the West but the difference is that in Islam it is only allowed to take place within a marriage bond, whereas in the West it is left free. You can see the difference for yourself.

 

[Mr Cheese]

The circumstances of the Prophet's marriage to Aisha were very different. Back then, women were indeed looked upon as property, so child marriage was not taboo. Aisha was married to him so that someone with a sharp memory could be around the Prophet at all times and thus be able to memorize all his precious words. But Islam tells us to follow the way of society, which means that now that child marriage is considered taboo, it should be avoided except under certain circumstances, for instance, if a girl's father dies in leaving her in poverty, or during a war, leaving no one to protect her. It has become quite uncommon, which is why such cases are so highlighted. The article says that her death was due to lack of medical care, not due to child marriage. In general, with the need for higher education, the phenomenon of early marriage has shrunk. If after attaining maturity, the girl does not like the person she is married to, she has the full right to annul it. Unlike the West, Islam defines the child as the one below the age of puberty. Once boys and girls reach puberty, they are children no more, and that is when they attain maturity. Thus, a girl of 16 or 17 is considered a full grown female with a free choice and her decision to get married is not considered early.
In Islam premarital relations are not allowed under any circumstances, and they are looked upon as fornication. Illegitimate pregnancies are not acceptable in this religion. Thus, the only way for adults (those who have reached puberty) to satisfy such needs is to get married according to their own personal choice and to have legitimate children
Therefore, teenage sex is recognized in both Islam and the West but the difference is that in Islam it is only allowed to take place within a marriage bond, whereas in the West it is left free. You can see the difference for yourself.

Many nations, Islamic and non Islamic practise child marriage (as defined in your post)

Women are still considered property in many Arab nations.

In India Muslim women that fail to produce male children often have acid thrown in their face. This is not an ancient practice, but a modern one. Such is hte value of male children in certain cultures.

 

[Sahar]

Many nations, Islamic and non Islamic practise child marriage (as defined in your post)

Women are still considered property in many Arab nations.

In India Muslim women that fail to produce male children often have acid thrown in their face. This is not an ancient practice, but a modern one. Such is hte value of male children in certain cultures.

And is this something you expect us to agree with? What about the Islam that fought, back then, burying of the female infants alive? The Islam that fought the notion and actually the practice that male infants are more worthy than the female ones is the same Islam I embrace.
Very true that some Jahiliyya thinking and practices are adopted by some ignorant fools in our societies now and this is because of one thing; turning away from their religion Islam.

 

[Ichiraku_raman]

Many nations, Islamic and non Islamic practise child marriage (as defined in your post)

Women are still considered property in many Arab nations.

In India Muslim women that fail to produce male children often have acid thrown in their face. This is not an ancient practice, but a modern one. Such is hte value of male children in certain cultures.

True i guess...but the point I was trying to prove was that Islamic Shariah hasn't much to do with it. Its just society that treats women so badly. Women are indeed looked upon as property by many Arabs, but that is just what Islam tried to change. There are black sheep in every community, and im not here to vouch for them. Im just saying, Islam does not treat women like property or articles of trade.

 

[Mr Cheese]

And is this something you expect us to agree with? What about the Islam that fought, back then, burying of the female infants alive? The Islam that fought the notion and actually the practice that male infants are more worthy than the female ones is the same Islam I embrace.
Very true that some Jahiliyya thinking and practices are adopted by some ignorant fools in our societies now and this is because of one thing; turning away from their religion Islam.

nope, you shouldnt agree with it

But to pretend it doesnt exist and is a small minority is to be rather untrue

Just to be fair though, non muslims in the West are often very silent about the abuses that occur in their socities also.

 

[Mr Cheese]

True i guess...but the point I was trying to prove was that Islamic Shariah hasn't much to do with it. Its just society that treats women so badly. Women are indeed looked upon as property by many Arabs, but that is just what Islam tried to change. There are black sheep in every community, and im not here to vouch for them. Im just saying, Islam does not treat women like property or articles of trade.

ok, my apologies

My girl friend has lived in Suadi Arabia and grew up in Alexandria Egypt
so I get most of my information from her regarding actual attitudes over there.
It is difficult to get a clear perspective online or from movies/television are things are rather biased.

Islam compared to christianity and Judaism is still a young religion. It is like a teenager that still has acne. One could argue that it has yet to mature and stop having acne, but that will occur, one day, hopefully. Probably not in my life time though. However in my life time we have had things like the Pope reach out toward Islam, and groups of Islamic leaders from all over the world come together to denounce violence etc.

When my Beloved appears,
With what eye do I see Him?
With His eye, not with mine,
For none sees Him except Himself.

— ibn al-`Arabi

 

[Sahar]

nope, you shouldnt agree with it
But to pretend it doesnt exist and is a small minority is to be rather untrue

God, when did I or any Muslim pretend it doesn't exist! Just ask any Muslim about the status of the Muslim societies now and they won't disagree it couldn't be more worse. And also many of them won't disagree that this is because we left the teachings of our religion.
The point is, this shouldn't be generalized either to all Arabs, Muslims or to an entire religion.
To be very honest I don't know what's the percentage of Muslims who throw acids at their wives' faces but I do think they are a minority, or do you have another opinion?

Just to be fair though, non muslims in the West are often very silent about the abuses that occur in their socities also.

If we are talking about a child died because she couldn't find basic medical services, then I have no doubt that such community suffers from diseases like illiteracy and poverty...and they are the greatest enemies to any society and working on them is they key for any change.

 

[freethinker44]

Iran is far better the age there is 13 (city) or 9 (rural). I guess thats why there are no islamic pedophiles. They "marry" the evidence.

Wait, wait, wait. They are saying it is wrong to marry a 9 year old in the city but ok in the country? What?!? How?!? Why?!? I would definitely love to see someone try to rationalize this.

 

[Aquitaine]

The sad thing is, is that the Muslims can "justify" such behaviour, because Mo', the "model Human, divine standard of mankind and Prophet of God" married a 6 year old, amongst his..... what..... eleven Wives? Notice that he also breaks the Islamic rule of 4 Wives maximum.

Yeah, thank God we have Religion here to help guide our Morality, otherwise we'd be like these immoral Athiests.

 

[hindupridemn]

Is there any evidence that Muhammad (Peace be a upon him) ever actually had sex with Aisha (May God be pleased with her)? My understanding is that it was more an economical union or an adoption.