Child forced into marriage dies during childbirth, as does baby.

[Aquitaine]

Is there any evidence that Muhammad (Peace be a upon him) ever actually had sex with Aisha (May God be pleased with her)? My understanding is that it was more an economical union or an adoption.

Well, he "consummated" his marriage with her when she was 9, so hey, go figure.

 

[Quagmire]

Well, he "consummated" his marriage with her when she was 9, so hey, go figure.

According to...

 

[McBell]

Yemeni girl, 12, dies in painful childbirth - CNN.com

Praise Allah?

It is all a part of Gods Ultimate Divine Plan.

His will Be done!

If her faith would have been stronger...

 

[Aquitaine]

According to...

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

 

[jamaesi]

Not surprising to see that any compassion for Fawziya was quickly abandoned, starting from the OP, to just bash Islam.

Fawziya was 11 when she married. Her father was in renal failure, they were very poor, and there never had enough food to eat. She was undereducated like most of the rest of the people around her. She died after three days of labour and finally being taken to a hospital- most girls, due to a lack of education and poverty, usually die in childbirth at home a hospital is too expensive and due to a lack of education they don't see why it would be necessary. It's a horrible story and poverty and lack of education are what caused it.

So what are you going to do besides sit on your laptop in the comfort of your home with plenty of food and laws to protect you and rant against Islam? There are no laws to protect the girls of Yemen- if even law enforcement stepped up, well, there's nothing really to be done. Do you know anything about what's currently going on in Yemen? Do you know there's basically a war going on, there's food shortages, water shortages, great instability?

Are you going to take the time to do something to help these girls?

 

[McBell]

Not surprising to see that any compassion for Fawziya was quickly abandoned, starting from the OP, to just bash Islam.

Fawziya was 11 when she married. Her father was in renal failure, they were very poor, and there never had enough food to eat. She was undereducated like most of the rest of the people around her. She died after three days of labour and finally being taken to a hospital- most girls, due to a lack of education and poverty, usually die in childbirth at home a hospital is too expensive and due to a lack of education they don't see why it would be necessary. It's a horrible story and poverty and lack of education are what caused it.

So what are you going to do besides sit on your laptop in the comfort of your home with plenty of food and laws to protect you and rant against Islam? There are no laws to protect the girls of Yemen- if even law enforcement stepped up, well, there's nothing really to be done. Do you know anything about what's currently going on in Yemen? Do you know there's basically a war going on, there's food shortages, water shortages, great instability?

Are you going to take the time to do something to help these girls?

Wow!
I am impressed!

A most excellent way to exploit a tragedy in order to get a plug in!

 

[Aquitaine]

Not surprising to see that any compassion for Fawziya was quickly abandoned, starting from the OP, to just bash Islam.

Fawziya was 11 when she married. Her father was in renal failure, they were very poor, and there never had enough food to eat. She was undereducated like most of the rest of the people around her. She died after three days of labour and finally being taken to a hospital- most girls, due to a lack of education and poverty, usually die in childbirth at home a hospital is too expensive and due to a lack of education they don't see why it would be necessary. It's a horrible story and poverty and lack of education are what caused it.

So what are you going to do besides sit on your laptop in the comfort of your home with plenty of food and laws to protect you and rant against Islam? There are no laws to protect the girls of Yemen- if even law enforcement stepped up, well, there's nothing really to be done. Do you know anything about what's currently going on in Yemen? Do you know there's basically a war going on, there's food shortages, water shortages, great instability?

Are you going to take the time to do something to help these girls?

Meh, I'd rather just bash Islam

 

[England my lionheart]

The circumstances of the Prophet's marriage to Aisha were very different. Back then, women were indeed looked upon as property, so child marriage was not taboo. Aisha was married to him so that someone with a sharp memory could be around the Prophet at all times and thus be able to memorize all his precious words. But Islam tells us to follow the way of society, which means that now that child marriage is considered taboo, it should be avoided except under certain circumstances, for instance, if a girl's father dies in leaving her in poverty, or during a war, leaving no one to protect her. It has become quite uncommon, which is why such cases are so highlighted. The article says that her death was due to lack of medical care, not due to child marriage. In general, with the need for higher education, the phenomenon of early marriage has shrunk. If after attaining maturity, the girl does not like the person she is married to, she has the full right to annul it. Unlike the West, Islam defines the child as the one below the age of puberty. Once boys and girls reach puberty, they are children no more, and that is when they attain maturity. Thus, a girl of 16 or 17 is considered a full grown female with a free choice and her decision to get married is not considered early.
In Islam premarital relations are not allowed under any circumstances, and they are looked upon as fornication. Illegitimate pregnancies are not acceptable in this religion. Thus, the only way for adults (those who have reached puberty) to satisfy such needs is to get married according to their own personal choice and to have legitimate children
Therefore, teenage sex is recognized in both Islam and the West but the difference is that in Islam it is only allowed to take place within a marriage bond, whereas in the West it is left free. You can see the difference for yourself.

The point i am making is that some (not all) Muslims justify marrying Children because they have the Ahadith of Aisha as a precedent.

 

[McBell]

Meh, I'd rather just bash Islam

I suspect that he did not wait long enough.

I would have waited a bit so that the chances of people feeling guilty enough to go with I was plugging would be much higher.

I am just gonna chock this one up to to "premature plugging".

 

[.lava]

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

it is amusing that you put so much trust in hadiths even though you refuse Qur'an.







.

 

[McBell]

it is amusing that you put so much trust in hadiths even though you refuse Qur'an.

not quite as amusing as those who avoid the topic....:no:

 

[Aquitaine]

The point i am making is that some (not all) Muslims justify marrying Children because they have the Ahadith of Aisha as a precedent.

It makes me laugh when they say "back then, Women were seen as subservient" or "child marriage was normal nack then", even though, God's Apostle at that time, still didn't do anything about it, despite being a Prophet.

I guess being a Prophet can still make you cave in to peer pressure!

xD

 

[.lava]

not quite as amusing as those who avoid the topic....:no:

i already said what i could say about the topic. is there something you want to ask me about it?







.

 

[England my lionheart]

It's a stupid argument anyway. If Sharia said the minimum age was 6, and legislators imposed a minimum age of 17, that wouldn't be a violation of Sharia. Only a minimum below the Sharia minimum would be a violation of it.

They are arguing not only that the civil law must not violate Sharia, but that the civil law must be silent where Sharia is silent. I strongly suspect that this principle is not applied across the board in all areas of Yemeni law.

Its not stupid at all,Sharia varies from country to country,Sharia isn't something written in stone and is very open to interpretation

 

[Aquitaine]

it is amusing that you put so much trust in hadiths even though you refuse Qur'an.

.

But all the examples I gave are Sahih.

So........

*EDIT: Anyone wanting to know, "Sahih" basically means "authentic". I don't get it, I'm quoting Islam's own texts, yet Muslims seem to frown on such a thing??? *

 

[England my lionheart]

It makes me laugh when they say "back then, Women were seen as subservient" or "child marriage was normal nack then", even though, God's Apostle at that time, still didn't do anything about it, despite being a Prophet.

I guess being a Prophet can still make you cave in to peer pressure!

xD

Its very apparent as to what the problem is,Sharia Law has'nt evolved,it may as well be one minute old instead of 1400 years ish.
This from Islamonline.net
Saudi scholars don't see a problem with enacting a law fixing the marriage age for girls.
"There is no Shari`ah ruling against specifying the marriage age for girls," said Dr. Saud Al-Fenesyan, a former rector of the Shari`ah Faculty in the Imam Muhammed bin Saud University.
"Setting the age of 17 or 18 for the marriage of girls is permissible according to the Hanafi school of thought, which is applicable in many man-made laws."
There are no laws in Saudi Arabia defining the minimum age for marriage.
Though the girl must give her consent to the marriage, some marriage officials set the term aside.
A United Nations report on child marriage in 2005 found that 100 million girls were expected to marry by the age of 18 before 2015.
The worst countries for child marriage were Niger, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh.
Zuhair Al Harthi, a spokesman for the Saudi human rights authority, believes that laws would not end the phenomenon.
"This issue first requires raising awareness of the parents," he told IOL.

 

[Aquitaine]

Its very apparent as to what the problem is,Sharia Law has'nt evolved,it may as well be one minute old instead of 1400 years ish.

Exactly, not only that but it appears most of the Islamic Authorities (note, not neccessarily Muslims) want to preserve the "norm" of such days, in accordance to Mo's standards that he set.

After all, if the Prophet of almighty Allah does it, then why can't we?

 

[England my lionheart]

There is no Shari`ah ruling against specifying the marriage age for girls,"
Here is the loophole which says you can Marry a Child if you want but it depends who is implementing the Law

 

[Kerr]

Yemeni girl, 12, dies in painful childbirth - CNN.com

Praise Allah?

The only thing I can say is that this is... wrong on more levels I can mention. Even though I know it happens, I wish no one would have the same kind of fate as that girl. May she rest in peace.

 

[jamaesi]

Wow!
I am impressed!

A most excellent way to exploit a tragedy in order to get a plug in!

Yes, I'm the one exploiting this by linking to sites where people can learn how to do something to change things for child brides.

I thought people in this thread were against child brides?

Meh, I'd rather just bash Islam

That's very sad.

I suspect that he did not wait long enough.

I would have waited a bit so that the chances of people feeling guilty enough to go with I was plugging would be much higher.

I am just gonna chock this one up to to "premature plugging".

You may refer to me with gender neutral or feminine pronouns.

I'm not trying to push an agenda here, I'm just sharing links on things people can do to help child brides. If I could I'd edit the OP of the post and put the links in there so everyone could see them first and there would be more a chance child brides could be helped.