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Child Sex Abuse And Atheists

nPeace

Veteran Member
Because religious organizations tend to be the ones with the influence to hide and protect large numbers of pedophiles.

They're also often in a position to exert undue influence on people.
I don't find that to be true. It happens the same way in schools, and day care centers, and hospitals, and police stations, and homes. None is greater in scope than the other.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
I was responding to the comment that the abuse was largely due to the church's policy of celibacy. As above, there is no difference to a married man at his home, interfering with his daughter, or the neighbor's son, and an unmarried man in the church, interfering with someone's son, or daughter.
 
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nPeace

Veteran Member
Allowing child abuse to happen when you have the power to stop it is sloppy, reckless and immoral.
I would say, someone judging a situation on limited knowledge and facts, is unreasonable. Acting rashly and foolishly is unwise and unloving.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
1. I did not say anything was wrong with atheist on these forums, or anywhere else.
You said, "I disagree that atheists claim the moral high ground..."
I disagreed, because they do - not all, I'm sure.
2. Oh sorry. I thought we were discussing child sex abuse.
3. Here, and here.

Oh. I don't know what the priest and elders of the various religions tell the victims. I can only speak from the facts I have, and in my faith, the elders do not tell the victims such things.

Steps are taken to protect the victim(s)...
First, the child—and other children too—must be protected from any further abuse. This must be done, whatever the cost. In many cases the accused molester will have to be confronted. But whatever it takes, it is important that the child should feel confident that the molester will never be able to get at her (or him) again.

Second, the child must be given a lot of love and emotional support. Parents must make it very clear that the little victim is not to blame. The crime and anything that happens as a result of it—even if a close relative goes to prison—is not her (or his) fault. But that reassurance will have to be given many times, so that the victim comes to believe it—and to believe that the parents believe it too!


...and the responsible parent is guided to do all they can to protect the child from further abuse - If Your Child Is Abused
You can download a copy of JWs handbook on dealing with these matters - Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection
Excerpt
4. In all cases, victims and their parents have the right to report an accusation of child abuse to the authorities. Therefore, victims, their parents, or anyone else who reports such an accusation to the elders are clearly informed by the elders that they have the right to report the matter to the authorities.
Elders do not criticize anyone who chooses to make such a report.—Galatians 6:5.

5. When elders learn of an accusation of child abuse, they immediately consult with the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses to ensure compliance with child abuse reporting laws. (Romans 13:1)
This article disagrees...

Jehovah's Witnesses accused of silencing victims of child abuse
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
I would say, someone judging a situation on limited knowledge and facts, is unreasonable. Acting rashly and foolishly is unwise and unloving.

We are talking about child abuse here. If you can prevent child abuse then you do it or you are scum. Therefore God is scum.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Skwim, so then if you are logically consistent and favor banning the Church in order to stop child sex abuse, then you should also be in favor of banning public schools in order to stop child sex abuse.
Never said a word about favoring the banning of the church or anything else. Let's stay focused.

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nPeace

Veteran Member
We are talking about child abuse here. If you can prevent child abuse then you do it or you are scum. Therefore God is scum.
If one acts irrational to stop something, they are unwise and unloving. Therefore such a person is unwise and unloving. If that fits you, then...

For example, someone sees a child being abused, and they jump to the rescue, violently ripping the guy to shreds. The traumatic child becomes more traumatic, after seeing this, and hearing the screams.
She later becomes a psychotic wreck, luring abusive males, in order to mutilate them... A wild suggestion, but this is a result of the rash actions of one who just acts without thinking wisely, and not taking into consideration if his actions would be both loving and just.

From my study of the Bible, God is not like that, he wisely chooses the best action to take in order to solve problems.
Those who call him scum, are not seeing God in the true light, because they are shortsighted, and lack the wisdom to see the lack o reasoning in their thinking, IMO.
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
In fact, let me be the first to say that not only is there nothing to prevent it, but it is actually actively going on!

Yes, the Christian priests have had molestation, and this has a large portion to do with lack of marriages.

Hollywood is a (largely) secular organization. And they have had sex abuse scandals too.

Sex Scandals of Early Hollywood
Harvey Weinstein scandal: A complete list of the 87 accusers
Hollywood wracked by chaos in aftermath of sex scandals

The political world often is also fairly secular. Same deal.

Top 10 Political Sex Scandals | HuffPost
List of federal political sex scandals in the United States - Wikipedia
Multiple Democrats Currently Involved In Child Sex Scandals

Those are not 'atheist organizations'.
I'm trying to be even handed here, but you have to do the same.

How many atheist Democrat reps are there.
As for Harvey Weinstein...

Harvey Weinstein and Al Franken are Jewish, but are they Jewish news?

People do bad crap. It sounds like you're now just pushing a whole lot of people into 'my' bucket. The idea of buckets is the whole thing I'm arguing against.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Never said a word about favoring the banning of the church or anything else. Let's stay focused.

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Did you forget what you'd posted back in post #18? There you stated ..." So to stop child sex abuse among Christians the solution seems quite obvious: disband Christian organizations."

So if atheists had organizations they would be sexually abusing children; however, doesn't this point up a real defect in the Christian religion: they're organized? So to stop child sex abuse among Christians the solution seems quite obvious: disband Christian organizations. They foster child sex abuse.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
If one acts irrational to stop something, they are unwise and unloving. Therefore such a person is unwise and unloving. If that fits you, then...

For example, someone sees a child being abused, and they jump to the rescue, violently ripping the guy to shreds. The traumatic child becomes more traumatic, after seeing this, and hearing the screams.
She later becomes a psychotic wreck, luring abusive males, in order to mutilate them... A wild suggestion, but this is a result of the rash actions of one who just acts without thinking wisely, and not taking into consideration if his actions would be both loving and just.

From my study of the Bible, God is not like that, he wisely chooses the best action to take in order to solve problems.
Those who call him scum, are not seeing God in the true light, because they are shortsighted, and lack the wisdom to see the lack o reasoning in their thinking, IMO.

At least I don't follow a religion that preys on children.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
At least I don't follow a religion that preys on children.

Only one in approximately four thousand Catholic children have been sexually harassed by a Priest; this means there's way more praying for children than preying on children in the Church.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Only one in four thousand Catholic children have been sexually harassed by a Priest; this means there's way more praying for children than preying on children in the Church.

Two things, I still don't trust you when it comes to numbers and there is no possible way for you to know that.
 

youknowme

Whatever you want me to be.
Keep in mind what are observing is the people who get caught, the real number is likely going to be bigger.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Two things, I still don't trust you when it comes to numbers and there is no possible way for you to know that.

According to a 2004 research study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, 4,392 Catholic priests and deacons in active ministry between 1950 and 2002 have been plausibly (neither withdrawn nor disproven) accused of under-age sexual abuse by 10,667 individuals.

There are an estimated 51 million adult American Catholics,

7 facts about U.S. Catholics

Nearly ninety percent of all adult American Catholics now were children between 1950 to 2002.

https://cara.georgetown.edu/staff/webpages/Catholic Families Demographics.pdf

So then approximately 46 million of them were potential victims of child abuse by a Priest. 10,667 alleged victims out of 46 million potential victims means that less than one out of every four thousand Catholic children were sexually harassed by Priests.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Keep in mind what are observing is the people who get caught, the real number is likely going to be bigger.

Also keep, people are legally presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Furthermore, nobody in his right mind would judge an entire organization of millions upon millions of its followers based upon the shameful acts that some few thousand of its members perpetuated.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Did you forget what you'd posted back in post #18? There you stated ..." So to stop child sex abuse among Christians the solution seems quite obvious: disband Christian organizations."
No I didn't forget what I posted, but it isn't relevant. IT'S MOCKERY.
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