Child Sex Abuse And Atheists

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Where is it?

Our news is full of Christian leaders and their followers sexually abusing children, and in great numbers. But as far as I can tell nary a bit news about atheists or agnostics sexually abusing children.

"Investigation Reveals Rampant Sexual Abuse in Southern Baptist Churches"
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"Pope Francis Admits Priests Sexually Abuse Women, Held Them as Slaves"
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"Get Shortey (Again): Christian Lawmaker Has to Pay $125K To His Teen Sex Victim"
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"Texas Catholic Dioceses Disclose 286 Priests Credibly Accused of Child Sex Abuse"
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"Guy Who Handled Sex Abuse Cases for Vatican Quits After Allegations of Sex Abuse"
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"Cardinal Claims He “Forgot” That He Knew About a Priest Abusing Kids"
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"French Cardinal Could Face 3 Years for Failing to Report Abusive Priest"
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"This is How the Jehovah’s Witnesses Covered Up Abuse by an Elder"
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"Ex-Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick Accused of Groping Child During Confession"
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"Two Gonzaga Admins Resign in Wake of Reports About Predatory Priests on Campus"
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"Boise Priest Gets 25 Years For Child Porn; Liked Watching a Boy Beaten to Death"
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"The Catholic Church in Illinois Didn’t Disclose Allegations Against 500+ Priests"
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Could it be that, for whatever reason, the Christian religion either attracts child sex abusers or turns people into them?

If not, how do you explain such a lopsided difference?

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Because atheism doesn't have the same structured nature, I'm not sure how it would be reported. I have no figures, but I doubt there is any meaningful correlation between atheism and tendency to commit abuse or not. In other words, I'm fairly certain that child sex abuse occurs at a similar rate among atheists as Christians.

 

[nPeace]

The OP did not take sides, he threw a statement out and asked for comments.And yes, I do not believe atheists are saints but I gave 3 reason why I thought they were better and not hypocritical.
1. I disagree that atheists claim the moral high ground, we are no better or worse than others. It is religions that claim the high ground.
2. Hang on, when I said we don't get hung up about sex; I wasn't condoning sex with children, rape and the likes. I was just stating that the likes of homosexuality, sex outside of marriage and the likes that many religions struggle with are non-issues.
3. Sorry they do try to cover up and protect their church, look at the Catholic Church's cover up.in Boston as just one of many examples. They try to keep it 'in-house' and punish the perpetrators with prayer or move them to another parish where they can offend again.

Look at the speed with which Krauss and Silverman were outed when compared to the pedophilia cover ups by various churches.

1. Which atheist do you hang around? Must not be the ones on these forums, and the Dawkins and Krauss crowd.
2. Just reminding you of the topic and issue being considered.
3. Just look at the data provided by a few of us here. Everyone does - including atheist, whom by the way are not labeled as such.

Besides, when they are caught red handed, they can't cover up anything. They just go to jail, and spend some time, till they are released, then they are back at it again.
Until they are caught again.

 

[Altfish]

1. Which atheist do you hang around? Must not be the ones on these forums, and the Dawkins and Krauss crowd.
2. Just reminding you of the topic and issue being considered.
3. Just look at the data provided by a few of us here. Everyone does - including atheist, whom by the way are not labeled as such.

Besides, when they are caught red handed, they can't cover up anything. They just go to jail, and spend some time, till they are released, then they are back at it again.
Until they are caught again.

1. I hang round my local Humanists group and the local SACRE branch. What is wrong with the atheists on here or the Dawkins and Krauss crowd. I've just condemned Krauss remember?
2. I didn't need reminding. It is a discussion.
3. Which data?

You say, "When they are caught red handed..."
But, in many religious institutions the crime is initially reported to the priests/elders or whoever NOT the police. The priests and elders then tell the victim, "Let's keep this out of the police's hands, we'll deal with it" I would recommend the film Spotlight
Spotlight (film) - Wikipedia

 

[Call me name]

Well first I feel really sorry that we (christians) are often not become light for you guys...

But the truth will forever become the truth even it is spoken by people who do evel deeds as hitler and also the opposite. In fact we (christians) are thaught to not do sexual immorality. Whatever it is pedophilia, homosexuality, bestialy etc as in romans 13:13

Romans 13:13 (NET) Let us live decently as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in discord and jealousy.

Romans 13:13

And also in decalogue

Exodus 20:14 (NET) “You shall not commit adultery.

Exodus 20:14

Well however these are just the commands from God. As the law in our country we have free will to not to obey the law. But it will have it own punishment for every evil deeds we do in this world. And God still sees this as an sin that can't be right!

Second, do you ever notice if there is nobody perfect in this world? There always be wrong deeds that every person do in this world. Even there is so evil nor it is so usual. But we still feels like "I don't really like his habbit." But because we love and tolerance to them so we still love them. But basically we must admit there is NO good person. So in conclusion every people are sinned.

Well God cannot be one with sin. He is so hates sin and he cannot do a sin. Then how we could be one with God? There is one way. Sin can be paid by something perfect and sinless.

That's why Jesus come to the earth and he died for us. So everyone of us who believe that only Jesus is the way to saved us could be saved by His grace and He rose again in the third day. This is the prove that He was won again death. He will assurance our eternal life.

At the end I feel so sorry because my english is worse. Hope God will make it perfect so you could understand

 

[Call me name]

Atheism is in no way proof against child sex abuse. It's simply not.

I will say that I think some of the churches and organizations you are citing have cultural issues or mandates (eg. no sex) which exacerbate the issues above and beyond what the people involved would do due to their base nature only.

But that's it. And there is nothing to prevent an 'atheist' organisation, whatever that looks like, having cultural issues of this type too.

Well first I feel really sorry that we (christians) are often not become light for you guys...

But the truth will forever become the truth even it is spoken by people who do evel deeds as hitler and also the opposite. In fact we (christians) are thaught to not do sexual immorality. Whatever it is pedophilia, homosexuality, bestialy etc as in romans 13:13

Romans 13:13 (NET) Let us live decently as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in discord and jealousy.

Romans 13:13

And also in decalogue

Exodus 20:14 (NET) “You shall not commit adultery.

Exodus 20:14

Well however these are just the commands from God. As the law in our country we have free will to not to obey the law. But it will have it own punishment for every evil deeds we do in this world. And God still sees this as an sin that can't be right!

Second, do you ever notice if there is nobody perfect in this world? There always be wrong deeds that every person do in this world. Even there is so evil nor it is so usual. But we still feels like "I don't really like his habbit." But because we love and tolerance to them so we still love them. But basically we must admit there is NO good person. So in conclusion every people are sinned.

Well God cannot be one with sin. He is so hates sin and he cannot do a sin. Then how we could be one with God? There is one way. Sin can be paid by something perfect and sinless.

That's why Jesus come to the earth and he died for us. So everyone of us who believe that only Jesus is the way to saved us could be saved by His grace and He rose again in the third day. This is the prove that He was won again death. He will assurance our eternal life.

At the end I feel so sorry because my english is worse. Hope God will make it perfect so you could understand

 

[Altfish]

Well first I feel really sorry that we (christians) are often not become light for you guys...

But the truth will forever become the truth even it is spoken by people who do evel deeds as hitler and also the opposite. In fact we (christians) are thaught to not do sexual immorality. Whatever it is pedophilia, homosexuality, bestialy etc as in romans 13:13

Romans 13:13 (NET) Let us live decently as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in discord and jealousy.

Romans 13:13

And also in decalogue

Exodus 20:14 (NET) “You shall not commit adultery.

Exodus 20:14

Well however these are just the commands from God. As the law in our country we have free will to not to obey the law. But it will have it own punishment for every evil deeds we do in this world. And God still sees this as an sin that can't be right!

Second, do you ever notice if there is nobody perfect in this world? There always be wrong deeds that every person do in this world. Even there is so evil nor it is so usual. But we still feels like "I don't really like his habbit." But because we love and tolerance to them so we still love them. But basically we must admit there is NO good person. So in conclusion every people are sinned.

Well God cannot be one with sin. He is so hates sin and he cannot do a sin. Then how we could be one with God? There is one way. Sin can be paid by something perfect and sinless.

That's why Jesus come to the earth and he died for us. So everyone of us who believe that only Jesus is the way to saved us could be saved by His grace and He rose again in the third day. This is the prove that He was won again death. He will assurance our eternal life.

At the end I feel so sorry because my english is worse. Hope God will make it perfect so you could understand

Why is something like..
"Look after and protect children"
...not one of the 10 Commandments - it is certainly better than ..
You shall have no other Gods but me. ... or
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. ..or
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.

 

[Salvador]

So if atheists had organizations they would be sexually abusing children; however, doesn't this point up a real defect in the Christian religion: they're organized? So to stop child sex abuse among Christians the solution seems quite obvious: disband Christian organizations. They foster child sex abuse.

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According to a 2004 research study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, 4,392 Catholic priests and deacons in active ministry between 1950 and 2002 have been plausibly (neither withdrawn nor disproven) accused of under-age sexual abuse by 10,667 individuals.

There are an estimated 51 million adult American Catholics,

7 facts about U.S. Catholics

Nearly ninety percent of all adult American Catholics now were children between 1950 to 2002.

https://cara.georgetown.edu/staff/webpages/Catholic Families Demographics.pdf

So then approximately 46 million of them were potential victims of child abuse by a Priest. 10,667 alleged victims out of 46 million potential victims means that less than one out of every four thousand Catholic children were sexually harassed by Priests, this compare to nearly one out of nearly ten public school students having been harassed by an public school educator. So then, a Catholic child is nearly 400 times less likely to have been sexually harassed by a Priest than a public school student is to be sexually harassed by a public school teacher or administrator.

Since a child is nearly 400 times more likely to have been sexually harassed by a public school teacher or public school administrator than the likelihood a Catholic child has been harassed by a Priest, then shutting down public schools likely would stop 400 times more child sex abuse than would be banning the Church.

Skwim, so then if you are logically consistent and favor banning the Church in order to stop child sex abuse, then you should also be in favor of banning public schools in order to stop child sex abuse.

Skwim, knowing that a child is 400 times more likely to have been sexually harassed by a public school teacher or public administrator than the likelihood a Catholic child has been sexually harassed by a Priest, and knowing you'd like to ban the Church in order to stop child sex abuse; do you likewise, favor banning public schools in order to stop child sex abuse?

 

[Call me name]

Absolutely! Ban 'em all, take their money and equipment, and then burn their buildings to the ground. Muuahahaha!

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It seesm that you are more evil than they who did child abuse --"

 

[Jollybear]

Where is it?

Our news is full of Christian leaders and their followers sexually abusing children, and in great numbers. But as far as I can tell nary a bit news about atheists or agnostics sexually abusing children.

"Investigation Reveals Rampant Sexual Abuse in Southern Baptist Churches"
source

"Pope Francis Admits Priests Sexually Abuse Women, Held Them as Slaves"
source

"Get Shortey (Again): Christian Lawmaker Has to Pay $125K To His Teen Sex Victim"
source

"Texas Catholic Dioceses Disclose 286 Priests Credibly Accused of Child Sex Abuse"
source

"Guy Who Handled Sex Abuse Cases for Vatican Quits After Allegations of Sex Abuse"
source

"Cardinal Claims He “Forgot” That He Knew About a Priest Abusing Kids"
source

"French Cardinal Could Face 3 Years for Failing to Report Abusive Priest"
source

"This is How the Jehovah’s Witnesses Covered Up Abuse by an Elder"
source

"Ex-Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick Accused of Groping Child During Confession"
source

"Two Gonzaga Admins Resign in Wake of Reports About Predatory Priests on Campus"
source

"Boise Priest Gets 25 Years For Child Porn; Liked Watching a Boy Beaten to Death"
source

"The Catholic Church in Illinois Didn’t Disclose Allegations Against 500+ Priests"
source

​

Could it be that, for whatever reason, the Christian religion either attracts child sex abusers or turns people into them?

If not, how do you explain such a lopsided difference?

.

Can an atheist sexually abuse a child, yes or no?

 

[Call me name]

Why is something like..
"Look after and protect children"
...not one of the 10 Commandments - it is certainly better than ..
You shall have no other Gods but me. ... or
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. ..or
You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.

Well we do. We are going to church. We make sabbath day holy as a holy day (NOT HOLIDAY!). I know the next question is :" but you go to church on sunday,". Well humans didn't make for sabbath but sabbath is made for humans

Mark 2:27 (NKJV) And He (Jesus) said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Mark 2:27

 

[Altfish]

Well we do. We are going to church. We make sabbath day holy as a holy day (NOT HOLIDAY!). I know the next question is :" but you go to church on sunday,". Well humans didn't make for sabbath but sabbath is made for humans

Mark 2:27 (NKJV) And He (Jesus) said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Mark 2:27

BUT...they are not important in the overall scheme of things. BUT Protecting children is.

So, I ask again, why is protecting children not a commandment?

 

[Call me name]

BUT...they are not important in the overall scheme of things. BUT Protecting children is.

So, I ask again, why is protecting children not a commandment?

Well it is an command... Here it is

Mark 12:31 (NKJV) And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor (usually mean as every human) as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

Mark 12:31

I believe we agreed that child abuse is not a love act and we don't want to be abused.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

At the end I feel so sorry because my english is worse. Hope God will make it perfect so you could understand

Don't apologize for your English, I appreciate your efforts. Keep posting!!

 

[Call me name]

Well it is an command... Here it is

Mark 12:31 (NKJV) And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor (usually mean as every human) as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

Mark 12:31

I believe we agreed that child abuse is not a love act and we don't want to be abused.

If u don't understand please ask again

 

[Call me name]

Don't apologize for your English, I appreciate your efforts. Keep posting!!

Thank you! It's make me glad. Really

 

[Altfish]

Well it is an command... Here it is

Mark 12:31 (NKJV) And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor (usually mean as every human) as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

Mark 12:31

I believe we agreed that child abuse is not a love act and we don't want to be abused.

Nothing wrong with that statement BUT that isn't protecting children.
Children aren't your neighbour, they are vulnerable people who need special protection.
Finally, I should point out that that doesn't make it into the 10 Commandments either.

 

[Call me name]

Nothing wrong with that statement BUT that isn't protecting children.
Children aren't your neighbour, they are vulnerable people who need special protection.
Finally, I should point out that that doesn't make it into the 10 Commandments either.

Thank you for asking!

First isn't there is children on our neighbour also?

Second, 10 commandments actualy divided by two. First (1-5 command) is the relation between God and us. The second (6-10 command) isithe relation between people and us. Here is the second part text (6-10 command)

Exodus 20:12-17 (NET) “Honor your father and your mother, that you may live a long time in the land the Lord your God is giving to you.
“You shall not murder.
“You shall not commit adultery.
“You shall not steal.
“You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

Exodus 20:12-17

And there is still a verry lot of laws in other books.

It is not just a law for protecting adult people but they are made for protecting kids.

Well if you think in our bible there is no direct law for protecting children because there is not literal word for it. Well there also not direct law for protecting adults. Bilbe law are made for every person. Regardless they are man or kids, gay or straight, woman or man.

Well in ilustration it just like this.

First law said Don't abuse woman, second law said don't abuse kids. But we could also write don't abuse right?

Well I really like how the way you think! So critical!

 

[Call me name]

Nothing wrong with that statement BUT that isn't protecting children.
Children aren't your neighbour, they are vulnerable people who need special protection.
Finally, I should point out that that doesn't make it into the 10 Commandments either.

By the way tell me what do you think

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

"Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of the entire population of clergy. This figure, cited in the book Pedophiles and Priests by non-Catholic scholar, Philip Jenkins, is from the most comprehensive study to date, which found that only one out of 2,252 priests considered over a thirty-year period was afflicted with pedophilia."

That sounds rather out of date. The recent inquiry in Australia found credible abuse claims for 7% of Catholic priests. Other inquiries in the US have found similar rates in the areas they looked at.

 

[Salvador]

That sounds rather out of date. The recent inquiry in Australia found credible abuse claims for 7% of Catholic priests. Other inquiries in the US have found similar rates in the areas they looked at.

Now that the Church here is under close public scrutiny, I'd be willing to bet the rate of incidents where children get sexually assaulted by a Priest is lower than it used to be. There probably plenty of security surveillance cameras in place at Church nowadays that weren't around 20 years ago in order to deter the sexual harassment of children. ...