Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Naw. No fallacy. That's just plain BS
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Children as Transgender
- Thread starter Nicholas
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Freakish? Pft such ignorant (and potentially hateful) rhetoric.
You only think that a few are "exceptions" because the vast majority of trans people, you never suspect of being transgender. You only notice the ones still transitioning or that don't pass as well, and only a few passing ever admit to having transitioned.
So you're wrong.
You are contradicting yourself. If as you say our true nature is spirit and it's not physical then you can't say that someone is definitely male or female due to genetics. Your original argument was using what you are now calling "delusive".
I see no reason that spirits can't have male or female tendencies. Buddhists have hosts of powerful bodhisattvas who've stayed around after reaching Nirvana and things like Green Tara. Green Tara is female yet devoid of delusion. So what about her?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yup. If you outlive me, you can examine my brain to see that it indeed looks more female than male.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
However the body would be a different story. Something that you can't really do much about outside of superficial changes.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
It's the superficial changes by which society judges people, so it's actually a pretty big deal for people to be able to have them.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The brain is our operating system, however.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
And it's not even just that, but just the simple act of just letting yourself be yourself.
Nicholas
Bodhicitta
There was more written than the supposed contradicting sentence. The next one was " Humans are composite beings and our body is the most delusive part." Without getting too technical, we ordinary folk are made of three parts, body, soul & spirit. The Spirit is the sexless source which emanates the other two. Most of us identify mainly with the visible body and its sensory apparatus. We ignore or deny or disbelieve in our soul & spirit - thus the materialistic delusion.
Bodhisattvas are not ordinary folk, because they do not identify with their appearance. In fact they can change it, Tara can appear male or female or as an animal or be formless.
I thought buddhists were supposed to be agnostic about the nature of selves generally.
Sure it doesn't have biological sex but it has gender, in my experience, and can do things very much like sex.
From my experience anyway
So if our spirits are not set in a form why does it bother you if someone is female trapped in an XYbody or vice versa?
Sure it doesn't have biological sex but it has gender, in my experience, and can do things very much like sex.
From my experience anyway
So if our spirits are not set in a form why does it bother you if someone is female trapped in an XYbody or vice versa?
Shad
Veteran Member
Ummm people in general can be very superficial. There are industries, like cosmetics and forms of plastic surgery, which owe their existence to the vanity and superficial based perception common in every culture I can think of. Likewise those that want those changes are just as superficial as those they attempt to appease and their own ideas of what a woman is by conforming to an existing stereotype.
When you consider all the people you recognize are trans, you're able to identify 100% of them as trans?
Do you see what the mistake in your thinking is here? Take your time.
Nicholas
Bodhicitta
Mother's hatred for Ex is greater than love for son??
6-year-old boy forced to live as a girl while mom threatens dad for not going along
6-year-old boy forced to live as a girl while mom threatens dad for not going along
I find it interesting that even that anti-trans article tries to spin the story in a way that reaffirms the importance of gender identity:
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I honestly would wait until teens at the earliest. Some children grow up to find they have no gender. Some feel they have both. When I was young, I felt I was a male because I liked women. Then I grew up knowing I am a woman but not strictly by mind. But at childhood, all these things are mish meshed. Parents cant determine how their child would identify later in life. Also, I was told here that h/she (privacy no pun) goes through counseling and other treatments in addition to sex alignment therapy. It's more than just sex alignment.
I wouldn't compare it to illnesses. Changing ones sex isn't detrimental to ones health (good medical team discretion) like refusing cancer treatment. Also, religious views give families the option to deny treatment for natural death.
Nicholas
Bodhicitta
Why call it 'spin' when it could just be reporting what the boy said?
The spin is in the editorializing.
Gender is an innate sense of self, and in my opinion embedded in the fabric of the 5-Aspect soul between the Drive and Self Aspects.
The physical body (the Physical Aspect in that system) may not always match up with the other parts of the soul due to various issues that are either related to physical processes or (such as in my case) reincarnation of partially intact soul fragments.
I don't think we can say that gender is just physical, or just social... it's as most as us transgender can attest, very much an innate "essence" of self. In my view, our alignment with cosmic directions of "force" that we might say is male or female in the two extremes.
Our bodies are not identical to our selves, it's just a fifth of it, and sometimes aspects can be contrary to the other 4 parts.
The physical body (the Physical Aspect in that system) may not always match up with the other parts of the soul due to various issues that are either related to physical processes or (such as in my case) reincarnation of partially intact soul fragments.
I don't think we can say that gender is just physical, or just social... it's as most as us transgender can attest, very much an innate "essence" of self. In my view, our alignment with cosmic directions of "force" that we might say is male or female in the two extremes.
Our bodies are not identical to our selves, it's just a fifth of it, and sometimes aspects can be contrary to the other 4 parts.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
I would consider it to be child abuse.