Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Well that would be too easy - just go to any non-Cristian country, the Hospitals, orphanages and so on are raised in the name of all manner of god, demigod or cultural hero.
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Christian Apologetics
- Thread starter dgirl1986
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Well that would be too easy - just go to any non-Cristian country, the Hospitals, orphanages and so on are raised in the name of all manner of god, demigod or cultural hero.
Faith is nothing without trust. Also many people have no knowledge of medicine so when they get sick and go to the doctor (there are some bad ones) it is faith they have for them.
Boring! Anywhere the first ones were Christian. Did believers set a pattern? I shall bet yes.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
No that is not true. Christians were not the first to build schools, hospitals or orphanages in the name of their deitiy. You lose that bet.
I ask again if you are aware of the biblical definition of faith, and if so why do you equivocate it to trust?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
No (for the third time). Look up the biblical definition of 'faith'. It is not equivalent to 'trust'.
I ask again if you are aware of the biblical meaning of faith? If not please look it up. If so, why are you playing this game of substituting the word trust?
There is evidence of hospitals before Christ. But not many examples and the Roman example says the hospital was for "The Romans constructed buildings called valetudinaria for the care of sick slaves, gladiators, and soldiers around 100 B.C" Which means rich people's possessions.
History of hospitals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hopitals for poor people were Christian hospitals.
History of hospitals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hopitals for poor people were Christian hospitals.
Trust is not faith but faith is trust.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Not according to the bible, or the dictionary. Why are you playing such a silly game?
I am arguing faith results in good things. You are arguing faith is good for nothing.
I know faith. You do not. So? Why are you arguing about what you do not know?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
No. The first charitable hospitals were not Christian.
All right. Please provide the evidence. I don't doubt you. Give me something to look up that I can trust.
The article did say some hospitals were built not by Christians (who at the time vowed proverty) but were manned by Christians so they were Christian hospitals imo.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Because I do know what the word faith' means in Christian theology, whilst you apparently do not.
Why are you denying the biblical meaning of faith? What point is there to making yourself appear so disengenuous?
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Correct.
Maybe you have not read me on forum. I do not care about Christian theology. Actually I have said publicly that I think it is antichrist.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Faith can also be blind, just because we have faith doesn't mean its so, or true, some people have faith that there is fairies in their garden.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Sure, the wiki page 'History of hospitals' cites evidence for pre-Christan charitable hospitals in Greece, ancient China, Egypt, Rome and India. It has references to the associated articls and evidences.
Funny how you actually cited that very same page, but seem to have misread it.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Well then that makes your substituting ' faith' for 'trust' even more confusing - why not just say 'trust'?
Thruve
Sheppard for the Die Hard
Being at the right place, the right time, in the right mood while overwhelmed with the right emotions over a significant event/trauma/experience/hardship before the right event or experience that plays as one the most important/innovating/spiritual moments of your life, makes one critically think that it was NOT coincidence, and its supported by a strong sense of intuition that comes from apart of your soul that I Wish some of you in here could experience one day.
Im pretty sure son and savage can attest to this as I know they BOTH have had innovating experiences that they cannot explain. I know that such things defy critical thinking because it cannot be reasoned by physical proof, but often rather by correlating events that leave impressions on the soul leading to a particular moment where everything comes together, to which cannot be seen or reasoned by anyone but himself. Now, its easy to have been preconditioned to a particular religion, to which when such an experience occurs, they automatically associate it with the corresponding god to that of the religion they follow. The bigger picture here is that whether god exists or not is irrelevant, because our experiences point no where BUT up, as if were naturally being conditioned/forced to believe it. No critical thinking on our end is needed, so knock that crap off. Something thats meant to be doesn't go without one hell of a fight, and since religion, in my opinion, is one of the easiest paths to be lead astray, significant events and experiences often DO OCCUR to keep us head strong.
So, when some of you fools sit there and say that faith is utter garbage, your not wondering, in the slightest bit, why some members here just might be single minded in some areas than others, as if any of you really know wtf is going on.
Stripping someone of their faith, in my opinion, is like the scariest thing I could ever do to someone as a result. I pray that If I ever intentionally, or unintentionally do such a thing, that im covered by grace because I do not want that on my grave lol
Im pretty sure son and savage can attest to this as I know they BOTH have had innovating experiences that they cannot explain. I know that such things defy critical thinking because it cannot be reasoned by physical proof, but often rather by correlating events that leave impressions on the soul leading to a particular moment where everything comes together, to which cannot be seen or reasoned by anyone but himself. Now, its easy to have been preconditioned to a particular religion, to which when such an experience occurs, they automatically associate it with the corresponding god to that of the religion they follow. The bigger picture here is that whether god exists or not is irrelevant, because our experiences point no where BUT up, as if were naturally being conditioned/forced to believe it. No critical thinking on our end is needed, so knock that crap off. Something thats meant to be doesn't go without one hell of a fight, and since religion, in my opinion, is one of the easiest paths to be lead astray, significant events and experiences often DO OCCUR to keep us head strong.
So, when some of you fools sit there and say that faith is utter garbage, your not wondering, in the slightest bit, why some members here just might be single minded in some areas than others, as if any of you really know wtf is going on.
Stripping someone of their faith, in my opinion, is like the scariest thing I could ever do to someone as a result. I pray that If I ever intentionally, or unintentionally do such a thing, that im covered by grace because I do not want that on my grave lol
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Bunyip
pro scapegoat
In what way does having an experience that you can not explain 'point up'? Not being able to explain an experience you have had is not evidence for the superatural at all, let alone a god.
The equation: I do not understand _________ , therefore God! Is unsound.