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Christian Atheism

Neo Deist

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Brickjectivity said:
Again, totally misses the point; basically raping the text. The Greek text is in harmony with inclusion, Catholic faith. You want everything to be about believing and so choose a cult resource on the internet and a cherrypicked verse badly translated. Faith is a verb and only a noun to a lesser extent. Your approach is tainted by millennia of infighting, wars, killing and finally backstabbing between Protestants and Roman Catholics. For three centuries the two would barely speak to each other and the result is cultural loss so terrible that this cancerous unworkable idea of faith has become common. Understand that an atheist who obeys Christ and takes care of his little ones has more honor than someone who believes in God, bows and sways, dances with joy and gives seed donations. That atheist has acknowledged Jesus as the son of God, even though semantically you do not know what that means. They have acknowledged the Logos descended into him by their actions and fellowship in his name, a thing that you pinch your nose at by denying anyone can fellowship without speaking your magic phrases.
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I can't believe I am doing this, but I just gave him a "Like" for that. :eek:

I think I hear the faint sound of four horses and caught a whiff of sulfur...
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
Neo Deist said:
That is agnosticism. They neither confirm nor deny the existence of God, because there is no known evidence to prove one way or the other.

Atheism is defined as not believing in God(s). It is quite literally the opposite of theism. That's why there is an 'a' at the beginning of the word.

theism - atheism
moral - amoral
sexual - asexual
political - apolitical
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Your mixing it up...
Theism : Believing there is a God
A-Theism: Not believing there is a God

Your claiming:

Theism: Believing there is a God
A-Theism: Believing there is no God

See the mix up?

I know its hard on many people to understand the difference, yet there is a big one.
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Kemosloby said:
Wow, believing in Jesus is the Son of God leads to depravity?
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Depravity has come to many churches, and that is plain by the reports that come out of them. I'm merely stating what has caused it. People find it convenient to exclude people they do not like. It allows bizarre isolated practices to become accepted in churches, such as snake handling and Jim Jones style leadership.

The Christian acknowledges Logos has descended, but this is only acknowledged through love for the least of his brethren (whomever you consider to be the least) and that acknowledgment is enough to be Christian and to defeat antichrist. It is the power to become a son of God. Love one another. It is not a matter stories. You can believe the stories, but the main thing is your living sacrifice. You cannot see God, but you can see Logos. You cannot prove God, but you can prove Logos. You honor the Logos in others. Its Catholic Christianity without arguments. Its the plan to defeat antichrist.
 
Neo Deist

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Segev Moran said:
Your mixing it up...
Theism : Believing there is a God
A-Theism: Not believing there is a God

Your claiming:

Theism: Believing there is a God
A-Theism: Believing there is no God

See the mix up?
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I fail to see the difference, and don't rally care for word play as defined by an individual.

I'll simplify it further (as if that needs to be done):

Is there a God(s)?
Theism: yes.
Atheism: no.
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
Neo Deist said:
I fail to see the difference, and don't rally care for word play as defined by an individual.

I'll simplify it further (as if that needs to be done):

Is there a God(s)?
Theism: yes.
Atheism: no.
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Once again, A small difference.

Theism: Yes, I Know there is with a 100% certainty.
Atheism: Probably not, So far, nothing leads me to believe there is one.

Its not a "word play".
These are the words I can use to pass you what it means to be an atheist.

Now, Let me try and explain the difference:
(T)heist, (A)theist, (D)eist, (Ag)nostic, (N)ontheist

T-1: There is a God that rules the sea!!!
A: I Don't believe it!!! prove it!
Ag: I Don't believe it, and you can't prove it!
D: There is a God, But he rules nothing!
N: No, God is the sea! God is everything!!!

T-2: There is a God that rules the mountains!!!
A: I Don't believe it!!! prove it!
Ag: I Don't believe it, and you can't prove it!
D: There is a God, But he rules nothing!
N: No, God is the mountain, God is everything!!!

T-3: There is a God that rules EVERYTHING!!!!
A: I Don't believe it!!! prove it!
Ag: I Don't believe it, and you can't prove it!
D: There is a God, But he rules nothing!
N: No, God is the mountain, God is everything!!!

A: There is a process called Evolution, It contradicts the fact that any entity create humans as they are rather we are the result of a long process that was spread over millions of years. We can show you thousands of evidence that supports this idea, all of which can be predicted and demonstrated,
T-1to3: God rules EVERYTHING! Even if humans are made with this Evolution crazy idea, God made it!
Ag: I Don't believe it! and you can't prove it!
D: Yes. But God made it! That's how he planned it to work and just let it grow on its own.
N: God is Evolution!

A: But until now, Any of the ideas of a God or gods or any of the spiritual things were never proven. Why should I believe something like that?
T1to3: Because that is how it is! There is a God and he rules everything! He said so!!!!
Ag: Yeah! I don't believe it and we can never prove it!!!
D: But god is there!!! always! it is just that we don't really feel it and it has got nothing to do with how thing evolve and occur.
N: Look inside yourself and you'll know! God is everything!

I think that makes the point, right?
 
Neo Deist

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Segev Moran said:
Once again, A small difference.

Theism: Yes, I Know there is with a 100% certainty.
Atheism: Probably not, So far, nothing leads me to believe there is one.

Its not a "word play".
These are the words I can use to pass you what it means to be an atheist.

Now, Let me try and explain the difference:
(T)heist, (A)theist, (D)eist, (Ag)nostic, (N)ontheist

T-1: There is a God that rules the sea!!!
A: I Don't believe it!!! prove it!
Ag: I Don't believe it, and you can't prove it!
D: There is a God, But he rules nothing!
N: No, God is the sea! God is everything!!!

T-2: There is a God that rules the mountains!!!
A: I Don't believe it!!! prove it!
Ag: I Don't believe it, and you can't prove it!
D: There is a God, But he rules nothing!
N: No, God is the mountain, God is everything!!!

T-3: There is a God that rules EVERYTHING!!!!
A: I Don't believe it!!! prove it!
Ag: I Don't believe it, and you can't prove it!
D: There is a God, But he rules nothing!
N: No, God is the mountain, God is everything!!!

A: There is a process called Evolution, It contradicts the fact that any entity create humans as they are rather we are the result of a long process that was spread over millions of years. We can show you thousands of evidence that supports this idea, all of which can be predicted and demonstrated,
T-1to3: God rules EVERYTHING! Even if humans are made with this Evolution crazy idea, God made it!
Ag: I Don't believe it! and you can't prove it!
D: Yes. But God made it! That's how he planned it to work and just let it grow on its own.
N: God is Evolution!

A: But until know, Any of the ideas of a God or gods or any of the spiritual things were never proven. Why should I believe something like that?
T1to3: Because that is how it is! There is a God and he rules everything! He said so!!!!
Ag: Yeah! I don't believe it and we can never prove it!!!
D: But god is there!!! always! it is just that we don't really feel it and it has got nothing to do with how thing evolve and occur.
N: Look inside yourself and you'll know! God is everything!

I think that makes the point, right?
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So what you are saying is that the Deist is the most philosophical and non-confrontational of the group. Thanks! ;)
 
Segev Moran

Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
Neo Deist said:
So what you are saying is that the Deist is the most philosophical and non-confrontational of the group. Thanks! ;)
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With pleasure.

Can you please help me understand what is it that you call God?

Isn't it the same as saying that something started everything, I don't know what it is, I'm just gonna call it God?

Cheers ;)
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Fool said:
no it's a paradox to the cult of personality that worship Jesus. prior to worshipping the image the gnostic didn't worship a person. like buddhism, it was a personal journey to self-realization.

jesus said to call no man good when a person referred to him as "good master". who would worship a non-good deity?
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Is there some reason for wanting to identify as 'Christian' that I'm missing here?
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Fool said:
not if he practices what he philosophies in reality. or if he manifests the philosophy
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I'm unconvinced. Not that it matters, really.
I see nothing wrong with following a Christian philosophy, and you could do so in a religious fashion. I just wouldn't label that as 'Christianity'.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
paarsurrey said:
Jesus never claimed to be God literally and physically. It is Paul who carved a god from Jesus, mythically.
Regards
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Fine, but that does not answer my question.

How do you know that someone who decides to follow (some of) Jesus's teachings will not be an atheist?
 
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omega2xx

Well-Known Member
Sha'irullah said:
No you do. Role-Play is simple playing a role for whatever purpose it may be.

Objectively you are in lala land and I say objectively in the strictest sense of the word.

I am a bibliophile and an avid reader of all things that are knowledge in the written form. I am autodidactic to
such a level that it is sickening to everybody around me. I appreciate greatness that all I ever dwell on is the ability to attain wisdom on all matters. I know it is an obsession of mine but still it gives me pleasure.

To insinuate I am wasting my time is ludicrous when you cannot even comprehend things that lay in front of your eyes. Very mundane concepts you can't grasp are the points of your frustration because you are so narrow in thinking you can't escape the trappings of dogma.
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You are right. If what you do gives you pleasure and knowledge, it is not a waste of time.

Then what is your gripe? You just proved my earlier points.
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I have no gripe, just a difference of opinion as to the value of roll playing.

You are indulging in a fantasy playing a game. It is only destructive when you refuse to acknowledge the fantasy. I do not toss Christianity aside for being a fantasy since that fantasy is the product of great nations, history, culture and philosophy.
Why would I turn my back upon it?
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Christianity is not a fantasy on your say so. Many more intelligent than you accept it as a fact. If all of your reading has not led you to the FACT there is a spiritual life, it only has earthly value and when the fat lady sings, you will understand the ultimate knowledge of the truth.
 
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