Christian democratic

[Scott C.]

You don't hear those two words often with each other. But as a Christian I strongly believe in The Democratic party. I also strongly believe in equal rights. Christ was never about forcing his ideas on people so I strongly feel the same way. I believe free will means just that. Free will. The right to decided our life. The right to decided if you believe or not in God.

I don't think either major party is a very good reflection of Christianity, especially in the current presidential race. I can use the Bible to argue for some liberal and some conservative points of view.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So are you backing off your BS that any significant percentage is against abortion to punish women for sex?

I said that Republican policies reconcile perfectly with that assumption. I haven't backed off from that in the slightest; I also didn't say that this was the actual motivation for all Republicans, or for any particular Republican.

Republican policies hurt women and encourage abortion. Whether they do this wilfully or by negligence is an open question.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't think either major party is a very good reflection of Christianity, especially in the current presidential race. I can use the Bible to argue for some liberal and some conservative points of view.

At the end of the process, though, don't you need to reconcile whoever wins with your beliefs about what God wants?

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God.

 

[Underhill]

Constitutionalists, even like Ted Cruz, would leave issues like gay marriage to the states to decide. On the issue of abortion, that would depend on whether the unborn is a person, in which case he or she would have their own rights to bear, I don't think any Republicans are out to get women, but sincerely believe the unborn are real persons who have their own freedoms and their own right to life and liberty.

Leaving it to the states seems to come up a lot when the candidates realize, "my state would never allow that in a thousand years".

Talk to a conservative in NY or California about leaving gun regulations up to the states to decide and you get a bit different message.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Leaving it to the states seems to come up a lot when the candidates realize, "my state would never allow that in a thousand years".

Talk to a conservative in NY or California about leaving gun regulations up to the states to decide and you get a bit different message.

Gun regulations would be considered a federal issue because they are directly protected by the constitution. A constitutionalist would use federal law to enforce the constitution, and leave (most of) the rest to the states.

I agree you could probably name an issue where there are double standards, but gun regulations aren't one of them and are consistent with the constitutionalist philosophy.

 

[Underhill]

Gun regulations would be considered a federal issue because they are directly protected by the constitution. A constitutionalist would use federal law to enforce the constitution, and leave (most of) the rest to the states.

I agree you could probably name an issue where there are double standards, but gun regulations aren't one of them and are consistent with the constitutionalist philosophy.

Gun regulations can be state or federal. The constitution does not (at least by the courts rulings thus far) guarantee there will be no regulation. Only that people have a general right to firearms.

But yes, even on an issue like gay marriage, you tend to hear a lot more conservatives talk about states rights when they are living in conservative states. As someone living in NY, many conservatives here loath the notion of states rights.

 

[jeager106]

You don't hear those two words often with each other. But as a Christian I strongly believe in The Democratic party. I also strongly believe in equal rights. Christ was never about forcing his ideas on people so I strongly feel the same way. I believe free will means just that. Free will. The right to decided our life. The right to decided if you believe or not in God.

I'm so sorry for you.
I only hope as you grow older you see the conservative side.
Most lib's DO as they get past 65 years old.
Maturity rules. :>)

 

[jeager106]

Gun regulations?????????????????
EVERYONE should be required to own at least one and be trained it
it's use.
Gun regulations mean HIT THE TARGET!

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Constitutionalists, even like Ted Cruz, would leave issues like gay marriage to the states to decide. On the issue of abortion, that would depend on whether the unborn is a person, in which case he or she would have their own rights to bear, I don't think any Republicans are out to get women, but sincerely believe the unborn are real persons who have their own freedoms and their own right to life and liberty.

Ted Cruz saying there is no place for gays and atheists in his America to a Liberty University assembly is his wanting to leave gay marriage to the states? Sounds to me more like he doesn't want gay people to exist.

 

[Kori]

In the Bible Pagans are suppose to be murdered. And you have no freedom in dealing with god. You submit. No debate, no excuses. The Bible is anti-Pagan, anti-woman, and anti-freedom. To put Christian anywhere near the word, or a variation, Democracy is not realistic. Not to mention those that say freedom requires Religion(Christianity) is just not realizing what it is. Do not believe me? Read the Bible.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Ted Cruz saying there is no place for gays and atheists in his America to a Liberty University assembly is his wanting to leave gay marriage to the states? Sounds to me more like he doesn't want gay people to exist.

Could you provide a source for where he says there is no place for gays and atheists in his America?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Could you provide a source for where he says there is no place for gays and atheists in his America?

Well it appears that quote was incorrect and comes from a satire Facebook page. Snopes says its false, so I admit that was a bad quote.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

However, it appears that Ted Cruz has attended events with anti-gay pastor Kevin Swanson, which the media probably erroneously refers to as a 'death to gays' rally. However, the fact remains that Kevin Swanson has stated that homosexuals should be killed before.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

However, it appears that Ted Cruz has attended events by anti-gay pastor Kevin Swanson, which the media probably erroneously refers to as a 'death to gays' rally. However, the fact remains that Kevin Swanson has stated that homosexuals should be killed before.

Attended events by Swanson, or attended events that Swanson also attended?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Attended events by Swanson, or attended events that Swanson also attended?

Boy a stickler for details aren't you. Attended events with Swanson, but also refuses to downplay his endorsement. Cruz's strong dominionist views don't bother you?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Boy a stickler for details aren't you. Attended events with Swanson, but also refuses to downplay his endorsement. Cruz's strong dominionist views don't bother you?

Source that Cruz actually believes in dominionism himself? I've heard his father does.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Cruz says things consistent with a dominionist worldview such as God being above the Supreme Court, and America needing strongly Christian leaders. One hardly needs to claim dominionism when the stances are right on the money.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Cruz says things consistent with a dominionist worldview such as God being above the Supreme Court, and America needing strongly Christian leaders. One hardly needs to claim dominionism when the stances are right on the money.

I don't see how either of those statements imply dominionism, how do they?

What Christian, dominionist or not, would claim the Supreme Court is above God anyway?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I don't see how either of those statements imply dominionism, how do they?

What Christian, dominionist or not, would claim the Supreme Court is above God anyway?

It isn't about Christians believing God is above the Supreme Court. Its about Christians who cannot keep church and state separate, like Ted Cruz. It is his personal politics that imply dominionism. While it may be true that his father is more staunchly vocal about it- has Ted ever opened his mouth to deny his father's fanciful claims? On the contrary- Ted says God wants him to be president.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

It isn't about Christians believing God is above the Supreme Court. Its about Christians who cannot keep church and state separate, like Ted Cruz. It is his personal politics that imply dominionism. While it may be true that his father is more staunchly vocal about it- has Ted ever opened his mouth to deny his father's fanciful claims? On the contrary- Ted says God wants him to be president.

Ted says God wants him to be president... source? You haven't provided anything which show these implications.