Christian democratic

[eiskalt]

Absolutely. Jesus was very much a socialist and he hated the wealthy class, because they were irreligious, corrupt and oppressing the poor people.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Absolutely. Jesus was very much a socialist and he hated the wealthy class, because they were irreligious, corrupt and oppressing the poor people.

There's a difference between telling the wealthy to give more to the poor and re-distributing their wealth through force.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There's a difference between telling the wealthy to give more to the poor and re-distributing their wealth through force.

Quite right: Ananais and Sapphira taught us that redistributing wealth by force is *God's* job.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Quite right: Ananais and Sapphira taught us that redistributing wealth by force is *God's* job.

Seeing as God is perfectly just He's the only one I'd trust doing it, not any ol' stinkin' government (And the reason given for the punishment was more lying to God than anything else)

 

[eiskalt]

There's a difference between telling the wealthy to give more to the poor and re-distributing their wealth through force.

So are you pro rich people or are you with jesus? Or do you think Jesus didnt mean to condemn all rich men?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Seeing as God is perfectly just He's the only one I'd trust doing it, not any ol' stinkin' government

Coincidentally, this is also the Quaker jjustification for pacifism (more or less).

(And the reason given for the punishment was more lying to God than anything else)

For avoiding wealth redistribution by lying, yes. The implication of the passage was that the Apostles' wealth redistribution scheme was endorsed by God.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

So are you pro rich people or are you with jesus? Or do you think Jesus didnt mean to condemn all rich humans?

I don't agree with forcing people to give their money away.

I think rich Christians should understand that their possessions aren't their own, but are at God's disposal to be used for His glory, sure, but I do not connect this to mandating socialist policies of re-distribution.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Coincidentally, this is also the Quaker jjustification for pacifism (more or less).

Oh didn't know that, in what sense? They leave wars to God, and believe governments shouldn't do anything, is that it?

 

[eiskalt]

I don't agree with forcing people to give their money away.

I think rich Christians should understand that their possessions aren't their own, but are at God's disposal to be used for His glory, sure, but I do not connect this to mandating socialist policies of re-distribution.

Jesus marveled at a woman who had nothing but 2 pieces of low-value coins, which she gave to the temple. Dont you see a mandate in this story, that he wants people to spend money by any means possible, for a better relationship with god?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Jesus marveled at a woman who had nothing but 2 pieces of low-value coins, which she gave to the temple. Dont you see a mandate in this story, that he wants people to spend money by any means possible, for a better relationship with god?

I see that it's good to give generously, to even give recklessly for God's glory, sure, but God doesn't directly condemn having riches, but chasing after riches more than God and loving riches.

 

[eiskalt]

I see that it's good to give generously, to even give recklessly for God's glory, sure, but God doesn't directly condemn having riches, but chasing after riches more than God and loving riches.

Your words make sense in the light of the Old Testament and the supposed riches of Solomon, who was considered to be a great man. But in the New Testament apostle James clearly says that riches have no value for you because moth eat them up but the treasures you have earned for God are the only thing that counts.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03...2016-campaign-proclaiming-god-healthcare.html

This is just once instance I'm aware of in which Cruz has claimed he speaks for God. Far from denying his father's idea that he's some kind of chosen leader of god, this all plays right to such a view.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Your words make sense in the light of the Old Testament and the supposed riches of Solomon, who was considered to be a great man. But in the New Testament apostle James clearly says that riches have no value for you because moth eat them up but the treasures you have earned for God are the only thing that counts.

I agree that is the only thing that counts, we can't take possessions with us into heaven. Do you think we must give everything we own away?

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03...2016-campaign-proclaiming-god-healthcare.html

This is just once instance I'm aware of in which Cruz has claimed he speaks for God. Far from denying his father's idea that he's some kind of chosen leader of god, this all plays right to such a view.

Bad article, Cruz doesn't claim to speak for God anywhere in the actual speech of his they provide, or that God wants people to not have healthcare, etc.

 

[eiskalt]

I agree that is the only thing that counts, we can't take possessions with us into heaven. Do you think we must give everything we own away?

I am not christian. But it matters more how you can attract and help people more to have a relationship with God. If you can somehow impress people by your wealth to become christian then good for you! Youre better than a poor person. If you can help starving and suffering christians with your aid then youre better than somebody who went away to live in a hermitage.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

I am not christian. But it matters more how you can attract and help people more to have a relationship with God. If you can somehow impress people by your wealth to become christian then good for you! Youre better than a poor person. If you can help starving and suffering christians with your aid then youre better than somebody who went away to live in a hermitage.

I don't think someone should be persuaded to be Christian by someone's wealth, I don't think material wealth is promised to any Christians in this life, and that's just up to God.

By the world's standards though, relatively, I'm quite sure all of us are rich.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Okay, so that goes back to my earlier question. Is the baby's rights equal to the mother's? If not, does another human have more rights because they are more intelligent, developed, or able?

No one should be forced to have a baby.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

I consider myself an American Christian my politics fluctuates but I believe in complete separation of Religion and Government and that Christ expects his disciples to teach and practice his teachings not enforce them.

I agree. In this country all men are equal and no one should be forced to follow someone faith they don't agree with

 

[BenTheBeliever]

I was with you on your first post but now you are unfairly generalizing a very diverse political party. There are pro choice republicans, libertarian republicans, conservative republicans and even gay (log cabin) republicans. On the same note I know many democrats that are very conservative. Both parties are made up of people that have many diverse opinions.

I some what agree. I have met more Republicans then Democrats cause I live in a Republican Bible belt state. I have had so many of them tell me I am not a real Christian cause of my personally views.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

^This.

Gays are people as well

As a Christian, I can't in good faith be a true supporter of any American party that I know of. Both major parties celebrate death on all levels from physical to intellectual to spiritual.


Oh honey, no.

Republicans(or rather legal libertarians) believe that the only proper human authority of law arises from the people. When the judges declared rights for privacy(and thus abortion) and homosexual marriage, they correct in outcome or not, usurped the proper power of the people to do so. Those judgements are illegitimate attacks against every citizen of the country. Homosexuals and abortionists included.


Very few people do not believe that there should be legal consideration to rape. Also, it is a minuscule portion of abortions that are performed for rape and medical reasons(~6% for both combined last I checked).


It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where the people who disagree with you are all really liars who are hiding dastardly motives, and not just people who believe different things about what is right.