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Christian Harrassment

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I see this observed increase in Christian harrassment of NeoPagans as another indication of the rise and overtness of Christian nationalism:

"Over the past seven years, barely a half dozen of these disrupters would show up, RavenHawk said. But the groups that have appeared this year 'aren’t just protesting,' she added. 'They are collectively at war with us. They made that clear.'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/08/26/christians-pagans-harassment/

I am curious if this has been occurring in other countries. In America, this calls into question some of the ideals of religious freedom and freedom of speech being preached by the folks also suggesting that Christians are being oppressed.

Particularly disheartening in the article is how police respond. Would the same occur for NeoPagans at Christian festivals?

Thoughts?
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
I see this observed increase in Christian harrassment of NeoPagans as another indication of the rise and overtness of Christian nationalism:

"Over the past seven years, barely a half dozen of these disrupters would show up, RavenHawk said. But the groups that have appeared this year 'aren’t just protesting,' she added. 'They are collectively at war with us. They made that clear.'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/08/26/christians-pagans-harassment/

I am curious if this has been occurring in other countries. In America, this calls into question some of the ideals of religious freedom and freedom of speech being preached by the folks also suggesting that Christians are being oppressed.

Particularly disheartening in the article is how police respond. Would the same occur for NeoPagans at Christian festivals?

Thoughts?
Can't read the whole of your article it's asking me to register
 

Notthedarkweb

Indian phil, German idealism, Rawls
I see this observed increase in Christian harrassment of NeoPagans as another indication of the rise and overtness of Christian nationalism:

"Over the past seven years, barely a half dozen of these disrupters would show up, RavenHawk said. But the groups that have appeared this year 'aren’t just protesting,' she added. 'They are collectively at war with us. They made that clear.'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/08/26/christians-pagans-harassment/

I am curious if this has been occurring in other countries. In America, this calls into question some of the ideals of religious freedom and freedom of speech being preached by the folks also suggesting that Christians are being oppressed.

Particularly disheartening in the article is how police respond. Would the same occur for NeoPagans at Christian festivals?

Thoughts?
In India, harassment of Abrahamic faiths by radical Hindu nationalist groups is common. Though I am not sure of any obverse since Christianity constitutes a minority back home.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
I admit I harass Christians verbally. I joke with lions a lot. I try to control that though. My problem with them is that they damaged modern society. They have a God that's watching you. They made people STALKERS.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Can't read the whole of your article it's asking me to register
Okay, my mouse is somewhat broken. I can move the cursor, but no clicky clicky. The scroll wheel still works and I was able to read the article using that. If you are using a phone or tablet I am fresh out of ideas.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Okay, my mouse is somewhat broken. I can move the cursor, but no clicky clicky. The scroll wheel still works and I was able to read the article using that. If you are using a phone or tablet I am fresh out of ideas.
It's saying to register to read the whole article. I guess I've read too many washington post articles. Hang on I'll screenshot what im seeing
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
I see this observed increase in Christian harrassment of NeoPagans as another indication of the rise and overtness of Christian nationalism:

"Over the past seven years, barely a half dozen of these disrupters would show up, RavenHawk said. But the groups that have appeared this year 'aren’t just protesting,' she added. 'They are collectively at war with us. They made that clear.'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/08/26/christians-pagans-harassment/

I am curious if this has been occurring in other countries. In America, this calls into question some of the ideals of religious freedom and freedom of speech being preached by the folks also suggesting that Christians are being oppressed.

Particularly disheartening in the article is how police respond. Would the same occur for NeoPagans at Christian festivals?

Thoughts?

I think I posted about this topic last week as well. I can't read the WaPo article, but the photo looks like the one I've seen, was this in NY?

I think it has become much more prevalent and common here in the US, although I have yet to be on the receiving end of it.

I'm not sure what it's like in other countries, but I do know in countries where Christianity is the minority (India, parts of Africa), they are targeted.

It seems to just reinforce that minorities always get **** on, typically by whoever is the majority.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
@Subduction Zone
@Guitar's Cry

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I don't want to register and subscribe to a newspaper
 

Gargovic Malkav

Well-Known Member
Although I'm sure militant Christian groups exist in my country, I think in my personal environment I'm more likely to be harassed by atheists, New-Agers, Pagans, and/or Satanists than Christians.
This "harassment" is still pretty mild though.
Aside from some sjw natured rants and callouts, I don't think I have to be afraid of my liberties taken away, or have fear of bricks or molotov cocktails being thrown through my windows or good ol' fasioned lynch mobs so far.
I think the religious (or at least political) culture need to be more homogenous before people of mentioned groups become a serious threat to my way of living.

Not sure I would live in this kind of relative comfort if I lived in one of the bible belt areas though.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Although I'm sure militant Christian groups exist in my country, I think in my personal environment I'm more likely to be harassed by atheists, New-Agers, Pagans, and/or Satanists than Christians.
This "harassment" is still pretty mild though.
Aside from some sjw natured rants and callouts, I don't think I have to be afraid of my liberties taken away, or have fear of bricks or molotov cocktails being thrown through my windows or good ol' fasioned lynch mobs so far.
I think the religious (or at least political) culture need to be more homogenous before people of mentioned groups become a serious threat to my way of living.

Not sure I would live in this kind of relative comfort if I lived in one of the bible belt areas though.


Pagans harass you? That's typically not our style... How so?
 

Gargovic Malkav

Well-Known Member
Pagans harass you? That's typically not our style... How so?

I think it's more the zeitgeist to blame than pagans specifically imo.

It seems people of Christian groups, and/or Abrahamic groups tend to stick to tradition more in Western countries, as some kind of "counter-culture".
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Christianity, actually organized religion in general, is dying as people move away (the subject of one recent thread on atheism). Psychologically it's much more gratifying to look for enemies to blame than to look within. Once the other is defined as the enemy, the cause of the church dying, the next step is to attack the enemy, the source of evil.

This is not limited to Christianity as the comment about Hindus in India noted.
 

Ashoka

श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
I just wish Christians would leave people alone. The LGBT community, Pagans, Atheists, anyone who isn't like them. It's a toxic faith. Because I guarantee if a bunch of my Pagan friends and I decided to protest a Catholic Church during mass, we'd be arrested. Gotta love privilege.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
It's saying to register to read the whole article. I guess I've read too many washington post articles. Hang on I'll screenshot what im seeing

That was my problem too

Here are some quotes from it. I apparently haven't used up my free articles with WP!

'Street preachers and Christian protesters have long been a fixture of Earth-based religions’ gatherings as they try to distract and deter people from enjoying what are typically outdoor festivals and ritual gatherings. But this year, some attendees say, these opponents of witchcraft and paganism have become more aggressive and even dangerous.

RavenHawk said the evangelists and street preachers walked through WitchsFest, holding up signs and preaching through amplifiers. By the day’s end, their presence had caused class cancellations and vendor closings.

There were about 30 [evangelists] this year,” said Starr RavenHawk, an elder and priestess of the New York City Wiccan Family Temple and organizer of WitchsFest USA, a street fair held in the city’s West Village in mid-July.

In 2016, Nashville Pagan Pride Day was visited by street preachers Quentin Deckard, Marvin Heiman and Tim Baptist, who marched through the event with signs, Bibles and a bullhorn. In 2017, the Keys of David church protested Philadelphia Pagan Pride Day. In 2018, a Christian men’s group encircled a modest crowd at Auburn Pagan Pride Day in Alabama in an attempt to intimidate them.

Indoor events aren’t entirely immune. In 2018 and 2019, members of TFP Student Action, a division of American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, were joined by Catholics in New Orleans to protest HexFest, held annually at the Bourbon Orleans Hotel. Religious fliers placed under hotel doors informed attendees they were surrounded. “Your only hope is to accept defeat and surrender your life to One who created you,” read one flier.

On the same weekend as WitchsFest USA, attendees at the Mystic South conference in Atlanta found Christian pamphlets in the lobby and on car windows outside the hotel where it was taking place. In Texas, pastor Kevin Hendrix has encouraged Christians to take a stand against the Polk County Pagan Market, held in October.

After her security team asked the preachers to leave, RavenHawk called the police as she has done in past years. But, for the first time, the cops did nothing, she said.

This year, the Christian groups were allowed to remain at the festival with their sound amplification. According to RavenHawk, the officers called the preaching “freedom of speech.” It is unclear whether the groups had permits.

“The Christians say nobody is being bothered,” RavenHawk was reportedly told by the officers. In past years, officers would relocate the preachers to the far side of Astor Place, where they would continue without the use of speakers, which require a permit.

One attendee, Soror Da Glorium Deo, said, “When the police had the opportunity to downgrade things by possibly escorting the troublemakers off the area, they chose not to de-escalate.”

The New York Police Department did not respond to requests for comment.

“[The officers] treated us as if we were invading the Christians’ space, as if they had more rights than we do,” RavenHawk said. “[The preachers] were loud, and they were carrying on. Of course it was disruptive.”

When organizers moved the workshop tent away from the corner near the preachers, the Christian groups followed. “At a certain point, the protesters were not only in the surroundings and corners of the event with microphones and banners, but inside it,” said Leafar, whose class was canceled due to the preachers.

By the middle of that day, two vendors had left, said RavenHawk, telling her that “they didn’t feel safe.”

RavenHawk also called Lady Liberty League, a pagan civil rights organization based in Wisconsin, for legal advice and support.

“The United States is founded on religious freedom for all,” said Lady Liberty League co-founder the Rev. Selena Fox in a statement to RNS. “Safe gathering and the right to practice our faith is as much our right as it is anyone else’s,” she said.

Some attendees have suggested that RavenHawk move the event to a less public location, such as a park or hotel.


“We shouldn’t have to move,” she said. “We fought for this location for eight years.” It took that long, according to RavenHawk, for the community board to designate “WitchsFest USA” an “annual” event. Until then she was required to reapply every year, she said, enduring questions such as, “Are you going to burn babies?”

Leafar agrees that it is important to not back down. “If we remain silent in the face of these protesters, those people who are new to our community are going to feel that they do not have the right to express themselves and pursue their individual faith openly.”'

It's not everything, but the best I can do on my phone! :D
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I think I posted about this topic last week as well. I can't read the WaPo article, but the photo looks like the one I've seen, was this in NY?

I think it has become much more prevalent and common here in the US, although I have yet to be on the receiving end of it.

I'm not sure what it's like in other countries, but I do know in countries where Christianity is the minority (India, parts of Africa), they are targeted.

It seems to just reinforce that minorities always get **** on, typically by whoever is the majority.

It was in New York, and I do remember you posting something about a specific event.

Yes, it does seem loke it's the minorities that get the harrassment.

That makes this growing trend of mixing Christianity with American politics all the more frightening...
 
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