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Christianity and atheism versus Islam

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MayPeaceBeUpOnYou

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Hello

So yesterday I saw this discussion or debate between Hirshi Ali and Richard Dawkins. I came to know they were good friends when she was an atheist and is now converted to Christianity
The reason why I open this thread is the discussion was really absurd. He was insulting her god and Christianity, so nothing new happening here. But I got the impression she was convincing him(the atheist movement ) to join the fight against Islam. Her argument was that to much people were converting to Islam which she see it as a thread to the world. So in a sense she was evangelizing the greatest atheist in the world.
I thought I shared it since I couldn’t stop laughing the whole video. At some point I did felt for her since Dawkins was brutal and the audience wasn’t really on her side

Why is she so afraid of people converting to Islam that she needs to ask help from a person who thinks she is delusional?

 
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Hawkins

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It's a human nature to prepare for a foreseeable future. That's why one needs a pension plan for his own future. If he doesn't know his own responsibility, the government may force him to contribute to his own pension. That said. Atheism is the faith that life doesn't continue after death such that no more preparation is required. Theism is the faith that such a future beyond death exists that pre-preparation is required. Agnosticism is the faith that such a future may or may not exist that more "evidence" is required to determine what this future might be.

On the other hand, what humans don't know or don't realize is how a truth actually conveys among humans. You won't have a Muslin vs ... debate if you know how a truth conveys among humans. Islam doesn't follow the rules of conveying truth among humans while Christianity does.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Hirsi Ayaan is a terrific person. Have you ever read her book about the stabbing death of Theo Van Gogh and her upbringing? By the way, I had no idea she had converted to Christianity.
 
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MayPeaceBeUpOnYou

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Kathryn said:
Hirsi Ali is a terrific person. Have you ever read her book about the stabbing death of Theo Van Gogh and her upbringing? By the way, I had no idea she had converted to Christianity.
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Well if you like her then you dont gonna like the video. He was brutal to her but yeah she knows him better then us so its was expected
 
Alien826

Alien826

No religious beliefs
I just viewed the whole thing, and I recommend that anyone with an hour to spare do the same.

There is so much to discuss that we could start several threads on separate aspects, so I won't get into details. BUT, to say Dawkins was "brutal" to Ali is totally false. They were both quite scathing about Islam and of course they disagreed about Christianity, but they were very respectful of each other personally. I could see that they have been good friends, and at a basic level remain so.
 
Left Coast

Left Coast

This Is Water
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Premium Member
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou said:
Why is she so afraid of people converting to Islam that she needs to ask help from a person who thinks she is delusional?

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Ali had quite harrowing experiences as a Muslim, including genital mutilation and having to escape an arranged marriage. I presume those experiences have made her particularly critical of Islam, and thus she wants to achieve common ground with other non-Muslims.
 
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MayPeaceBeUpOnYou

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Alien826 said:
I just viewed the whole thing, and I recommend that anyone with an hour to spare do the same.

There is so much to discuss that we could start several threads on separate aspects, so I won't get into details. BUT, to say Dawkins was "brutal" to Ali is totally false. They were both quite scathing about Islam and of course they disagreed about Christianity, but they were very respectful of each other personally. I could see that they have been good friends, and at a basic level remain so.
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I agree they did have a respectful conversation but from her point of view. She was in bad place and she beliefs that her belief in god brought her out of it. Him saying that god speaks nonsense is tough for her to hear that. she took it well I might say but still I find that brutal, maybe not the best word to use.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou said:
Hello

So yesterday I saw this discussion or debate between Hirshi Ali and Richard Dawkins. I came to know they were good friends when she was an atheist and is now converted to Christianity
The reason why I open this thread is the discussion was really absurd. He was insulting her god and Christianity, so nothing new happening here. But I got the impression she was convincing him(the atheist movement ) to join the fight against Islam. Her argument was that to much people were converting to Islam which she see it as a thread to the world. So in a sense she was evangelizing the greatest atheist in the world.
I thought I shared it since I couldn’t stop laughing the whole video. At some point I did felt for her since Dawkins was brutal and the audience wasn’t really on her side

Why is she so afraid of people converting to Islam that she needs to ask help from a person who thinks she is delusional?

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Her stance strikes me as confused (which is not very surprising, alas). Opposing Islam is all well and fine, but she should learn to distinguish between the opposition and the adoption of competing beliefs. I fear she hurt her own credibility fiercely.

I don't know that I would call Dawkins "the greatest atheist" or even the most vocal; I guess he is one of the best known.
 
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MayPeaceBeUpOnYou

Active Member
Left Coast said:
Ali had quite harrowing experiences as a Muslim, including genital mutilation and having to escape an arranged marriage. I presume those experiences have made her particularly critical of Islam, and thus she wants to achieve common ground with other non-Muslims.
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Sure I am aware of her history. I live in the Netherlands and she lived here for some time.
 
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MayPeaceBeUpOnYou

Active Member
LuisDantas said:
Her stance strikes me as confused (which is not very surprising, alas). Opposing Islam is all well and fine, but she should learn to distinguish between the opposition and the adoption of competing beliefs. I fear she hurt her own credibility fiercely.

I don't know that I would call Dawkins "the greatest atheist" or even the most vocal; I guess he is one of the best known.
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It was confusing indeed. Tho she said she doesn’t know much about Christianity, so don’t know how much is that true.

Haha some true followers would say that but I get what you are saying. Best known sounds reasonable
 
Left Coast

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
LuisDantas said:
Her stance strikes me as confused (which is not very surprising, alas). Opposing Islam is all well and fine, but she should learn to distinguish between the opposition and the adoption of competing beliefs. I fear she hurt her own credibility fiercely.

I don't know that I would call Dawkins "the greatest atheist" or even the most vocal; I guess he is one of the best known.
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Since I heard about her conversion, I wondered how politically motivated it was. She has long been someone on the Right, and it seems like when secular people hang out in those crowds long enough they often get sucked into Christianity (either genuinely or for PR, probably depends on the case).
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I haven't really looked much into it, but word reached me, that she has pretty much been saying outright, and from the start, that her conversion to Christianity is motivated mainly by a belief that it can counter Islam more effectively than Atheism.

I would not call that polically motivated... but for all I know she can't see any meaningful difference; politics and beliefs are indeed very meshed in Islam.

Still, it is sad.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
MayPeaceBeUpOnYou said:
It was confusing indeed. Tho she said she doesn’t know much about Christianity, so don’t know how much is that true.

Haha some true followers would say that but I get what you are saying. Best known sounds reasonable
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"True followers"?!?


You probably heard this before and resisted it, but it is no less true for that: there isn't really such a thing as 'atheist followers'.
 
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