christianity dying of old age?

[Sand Dancer]

Oh! I get it now.

Islam isn't particularly suited to young people. But it is demographically more popular with that age group, mainly because Muslims tend to have many children.

I probably worded that wrong in my post. Yes, you are correct. Supposedly if your parents are Muslim you are too and probably don't have much choice. If I am wrong though, let me know.

 

[Sand Dancer]

In our Hunter-Gatherer stage there was always two separate faith-groups and initiations;
one for the hunter men, usually involving a solo quest for a boy, and one for girls around
emerging womanhood. It's in our human nature, our race memory.

Modern culture keeps seeking to stamp it out and look where that's led.

If you want to understand this in modern times, see 'Indian Guides' history.
Who founded it and why. How it was stamped out for 'P.C.' reasons and why.

I think what people are trying to stamp out is forcing someone to stay in a gender role that they don't want to adhere to. Yes, generally, that's the way it is, but not everyone is, so they should do what suits them best.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Democrats vote for the opposite.
No firearms rights. No choice but government healthcare. No tax breaks for business'.
Republicans voted to protect the American people from the last-minute regulations that the Obama administration put in place... everything from land management to education to buying a car..the liberals are all about more regulations.
They eliminated border security and put people in danger knowingly.
Democrats constantly defend censorship on social media platforms. Apparently the first Amendment only applies as far as they see fit.

Depends on the Dem, just like it depends on the Rep. That's pretty black and white thinking.

 

[PureX]

I don't think religions die of old age. I think they die of excessive rigidity causing them to become irrelevant.

 

[Sedim Haba]

Nope.
It was (and is) common but not exclusively so. We know from archaeological and historical evidence that some groups, who had division of labour, let the adolescents choose and we even think there were almost egalitarian groups.

This only occurred once agriculture was invented and society was no longer nomadic
but formed stable village communities. If you can quote such examples in earlier nomadic
hunter-gatherer groups please do so.

 

[Heyo]

This only occurred once agriculture was invented and society was no longer nomadic
but formed stable village communities. If you can quote such examples in earlier nomadic
hunter-gatherer groups please do so.

The opposite is true, hierarchies only appeared with agriculture.
How Hunter-Gatherers Maintained Their Egalitarian Ways
Inequality: Why egalitarian societies died out | New Scientist

 

[Messianic Israelite]

I fear that in Western Europe at least Christianity is dying of old age

Here is a local example of what I think is a more general trend:

On a Sunday at my church there are normally between 20 and 25 people in the congregation

Only three of us are under 40 and I'll turn 40 next year

Everyone else are in their 60s, 70s, and 80s

I am worried for the long-term future of my church as it seems that we will be losing members to old age at a much greater rate to how we are attracting new members

Is this typical in Christianity in general?

My impression is that it is

At least in Western Europe - I understand that in the USA and Africa this is not the case?

I think that the only thing that can save it will be some kind of revival movement:

I believe that it is up to the Christinas of Western Europe to initiate a revival

And that they should do so with a sense of urgency - while there is something left to revive!

Discuss.

Hi Eddi. Good evening. Yahshua warned that in the last days the love of many would grow cold. This is exactly what is happening. The love of the Word, the love of Yahweh and Yahshua, is growing cold (Matthew 24:12). In the 1960's and even in to the 1980's, what was going on over in Israel took the interest of many Bible believers who believed the Jewish return to Israel was part of end-time prophesy. There was a revival in the Bible. Today, we are seeing the effects of the theory of evolution taking hold of the people. Most young people choose to believe in the theory of evolution, and Chr-stianity has done a poor job in standing up against this theory which is an antagonistic theory against the Bible that is simply not true. Chr-stianity has only itself to blame. They should have been providing light to the world through Yahshua the Messiah, by standing up for what the Bible teaches just as Yahshua did, but the ministers in Chr-stianity have no boldness to stand for Truth.

1,300 years ago, the masses were illiterate and they took what ministers said at face value. That is, that the Biblical Law was done away with. Now most people have the Bible available to them and can read it and study it, still people choose to adhere to the Satanic no-law doctrine. A doctrine that was promulgated by ministers who had an agenda and were anti-Semitic. Christianity has been heavily influenced by the false teachings found in Marcionism

Marcionism - Wikipedia

Ministers aren't standing up for the Law of Yahweh. What does Chr-stianity believe in? Why should one become a Chr-stian? Surely one can show love and not be a Chr-stian, so what does Chr-stianity have to offer?

I mean, I could speak volumes. But the problem with the youth is a problem that is evident all over the world. I was brought up in my faith, and I praise Yahweh that I was, because it's the Truth. But I could have well have been brought up in Chr-stianity only having to find out the hard way that it wasn't the Truth and then where would I be? Would I have continued seeking Truth in religion, or would I have given up on religion altogether. Yahweh knows. We are living in a Laodicean age, something that was prophesied by Yahshua thousands of years ago in the Book of Revelation, and as a result, the people of today are most interested in acquiring wealth (Revelation 3:17) than the true riches of a spiritually fulfilling life in Yahshua the Messiah, storing your wealth in the bank account of heaven and pursuing a close relationship with Yahweh and His Son.

 

[Sedim Haba]

The opposite is true, hierarchies only appeared with agriculture.
How Hunter-Gatherers Maintained Their Egalitarian Ways
Inequality: Why egalitarian societies died out | New Scientist

I read these articles. Nowhere in them does it say that any member could do any task.
The egalitarianism discussed is the social structure within the group, the sharing of
resources and power. Status was always with the elders, no matter the sex.

Show me an article that states that women went out on hunting parties. Or that the
men gathered the berries. Keep in mind, that women's color discrimination is far
superior to men, (women are rarely colorblind) and that this trait was vital to pick
non-poisonous plants. Also keep in mind that the method of hunting for most of
hominid history was persistence hunting. More advanced weapons and tactics came
much later, overlapping agricultural phase, not nomadic herd following.

Persistence hunting is extremely strenuous, the prey animal has a huge head start
and you must run for days at a fast pace to not lose the track.

 

[Heyo]

I read these articles. Nowhere in them does it say that any member could do any task.
The egalitarianism discussed is the social structure within the group, the sharing of
resources and power. Status was always with the elders, no matter the sex.

Show me an article that states that women went out on hunting parties. Or that the
men gathered the berries. Keep in mind, that women's color discrimination is far
superior to men, (women are rarely colorblind) and that this trait was vital to pick
non-poisonous plants. Also keep in mind that the method of hunting for most of
hominid history was persistence hunting. More advanced weapons and tactics came
much later, overlapping agricultural phase, not nomadic herd following.

Persistence hunting is extremely strenuous, the prey animal has a huge head start
and you must run for days at a fast pace to not lose the track.

Roles of Hunter-Gatherer Women Reevaluated - Archaeology Magazine

Hunter-Gatherer Women | Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Anthropology

 

[muhammad_isa]

Capitalism benefits anyone willing to work and advance themselves.

If only it was that simple..
Capitalism relies on usury, which was outlawed by the Catholic church from early on.
In the 16th, century, they had this to say about it.

"For, that is the real meaning of usury: when, from its use, a thing which produces nothing is applied to the acquiring of gain and profit without any work, any expense or any risk.
...
The Fifth Lateran Council, in the same declaration, gave explicit approval of charging a fee for services so long as no profit was made..
Usury - Wikipedia

That is not the case today. The whole system is based on rates of interest, and is all about control of the money system.
It allows financial institutions to profit from those who have not, and creates an unstable system.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Hogwarts. Capitalism benefits anyone willing to work and advance themselves.

I wonder if you're naïve enough to actually believe that.

The defining feature of capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. Labour - the people willing to work that you refer to - get only wages. OTOH, the profit earned by their labour goes to the owners of the means of production, who didn't contribute any labour of their own.

People getting rich (richer, rather) without working is what capitalism is all about.

 

[Sedim Haba]

Roles of Hunter-Gatherer Women Reevaluated - Archaeology Magazine

Are you joking? Really, did you not read this? Native Americans? Horseback? Arrows?
This is thousands of years after the persistence hunting hominid era I was talking about.

Hunter-Gatherer Women | Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Anthropology

Nothing there at all about women hunters. This is pointless, and I will no longer reply.
You will never understand Brickjectivity's post #20 (my original comment) because you refuse to.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The defining feature of capitalism is private ownership of the means of production.

Nothing wrong with private ownership, as such.

People getting rich (richer, rather) without working is what capitalism is all about.

Wealth in the hands of a few is surely a major problem.
Big business relies on usurious loans, that is the main cause of this.
i.e. it is all about raising capital

 

[Heyo]

Are you joking? Really, did you not read this? Native Americans? Horseback? Arrows?
This is thousands of years after the persistence hunting hominid era I was talking about.



Nothing there at all about women hunters. This is pointless, and I will no longer reply.
You will never understand Brickjectivity's post #20 (my original comment) because you refuse to.

Your original comment was:

In our Hunter-Gatherer stage there was always two separate faith-groups and initiations;
one for the hunter men, usually involving a solo quest for a boy, and one for girls around
emerging womanhood. It's in our human nature, our race memory.

I questioned that belief of yours and brought evidence. You moved the goal posts.
What about you bringing evidence for your hypothesis?

 

[paarsurrey]

I fear that in Western Europe at least Christianity is dying of old age

Here is a local example of what I think is a more general trend:

On a Sunday at my church there are normally between 20 and 25 people in the congregation

Only three of us are under 40 and I'll turn 40 next year

Everyone else are in their 60s, 70s, and 80s

I am worried for the long-term future of my church as it seems that we will be losing members to old age at a much greater rate to how we are attracting new members

Is this typical in Christianity in general?

My impression is that it is

At least in Western Europe - I understand that in the USA and Africa this is not the case?

I think that the only thing that can save it will be some kind of revival movement:

I believe that it is up to the Christinas of Western Europe to initiate a revival

And that they should do so with a sense of urgency - while there is something left to revive!

Discuss.

Hellenist Pauline Christianity was still born meaning it was born dead and through faking creeds it was kept on artificially support , and being kept alive for the last 2000 years, it transpires, please. Right?
Now Hellenist Pauline Christianity is well exposed and anytime the support would be withdrawn , wires pulled off and the Cross gets broken with reasonable arguments as prophesied, please. Right?

Regards