Christianity is a crapshoot

[roger1440]

It would only be a gamble if God were not actively bringing about the end he declared from the beginning.

God had human history written beforehand in the scriptures.
He is definitely able to decide who receives what knowledge at what point.

None can come to God except God first calls them.
God knows who are his. His sheep know him.
The lot falls in the lap, but the choice is solely of the Lord.
He who has an ear, let him hear, etc., etc......

Can you prove any of what you wrote? If not, then I would have to take your word on it. Now we are back to a gamble. Indirectly You proved my point.

 

[Etritonakin]

Can you prove any of what you wrote? If not, then I would have to take your word on it. Now we are back to a gamble. Indirectly You proved my point.

I lost track of what was going on in this thread

 

[serp777]

I believe what I am saying is that it is not a good idea to wait for God to save you if He is waiting for you to save yourself. It is like the man on his roof in a flood deciding not to take the salvation available to him and drowning.

That story is messed up. He knew what the old man would end up doing. He knew the old man had been deluded to believe that God would intervene directly and save himself. He let the old man die in that story so he could troll him by telling the old man how dumb he was. God could have easily sent a message or given the old man a feeling that he should save himself through one of the means offered to him. Or God could have just prevented the storm in the first place and save all of those who DIDN'T get a chance to save themselves.

Furthermore, the problem is how is the old man supposed to know that its actually God instead of just a coincidence? There's no way to distinguish between God and random chance. All of those which occurred that could save the old man in a flood are going to come regardless if God doesn't intervene at all or doesn't exist. That's the entire point of FEMA. Its a dumb story that makes God seem like a massive troll and a jerk.

 

[paarsurrey]

Christianity is a crapshoot

For sure it is in dark of the real teachings of Jesus.
Regards

 

[Orbit]

Orthodox Christianity teaches one must accept Jesus to be saved. Few Christians can explain what exactly one “saved” from. Rather than to discuss what “saved” means, what does it mean to accept Jesus or to believe in Jesus? Jesus died about 2000 years ago. He is not here to speak for himself. The only available means a person in the 21st century has to hear about Jesus is by the testimony of others. This testimony is transmitted either by word of mouth, a minister or pastor, books, radio, internet, etc. None of these sources had contact with Jesus. Using the Bible as the primary source opens more questions. There is no agreement among the churches on the interpretation on Christian scripture. If there were there wouldn’t be so many churches. Then the problem of authenticity of the Bible comes up. The New Testament is a collection of 27 books. The early church fathers chose what books are in and what books are out. How can we trust their decision? Who were these men? Then the problem of authorship of these 27 books comes up. Many of the authors of these books are anonymous. Scholars are not in agreement on who wrote them. Then there is the problem of the authenticity of the subject matter itself. We can’t ask the authors because they are long dead and we don’t know who they are anyway. Added to the mix are other books that didn’t make the cut. How can anyone know the Gospel of Thomas is is not authentic? Not only is Christianity diverse but there are many other religions across the planet. It would seem Christianity is a crapshoot, a gamble.

They generally mean "saved from going to hell". This only works if you believe in hell.

 

[paarsurrey]

Christianity is a crapshoot
Certainly
One may like to read post #1420 in this connection in another thread.
Regards