Christianity verses athiests

[PolyHedral]

EVIDENCE AND PROOF "ARE" THE SAME

ev·i·dence

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–noun 1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.

2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.

3. Law . data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects

Not in all contexts. There is no such thing as evidence in mathematics, for instance.

 

[Smoke]

wow.
I was completely unawares til now that male chickens are censored....

Damn vegan mentality!

It used to be impossible to write "Dick Cheney" on RF, too, but they changed that.

 

[sniper762]

sure it is. 2 + 2 = 4 it is evident that if i add 2 sandwiches to my current 2 (a meal), then i will have 4 sandwiches (more than i can eat)

 

[ChristineES]

why do atheists keep demanding "evidence" of god's existence or biblical beliefs from Christians when THERE IS NONE?

why do Christians keep trying to present "evidence" of god's existence or of biblical beliefs to atheists when THERE IS NONE

the only evidence that could prove or disprove either would have to be conceived by one of the five senses, touch, taste, smell, hearing or sight. IT DOESN'T EXIST

FAITH, an intangible force, derived through a sixth sense from ones mind and heart is all that there is that divides the two.

either you have it or you don't. GIVE IT A REST

Lets be fair. Atheist do not usually demand evidence (because they know there isn't any) and Christians (and other theists) usually don't prove God's existence (for the same reason). If you don't want to believe in God, then don't. If we want to believe in God, we do. It is really that simple.
But it is fun to debate. That's why we do it.
Welcome to the RF.

 

[PolyHedral]

sure it is. 2 + 2 = 4 it is evident that if i add 2 sandwiches to my current 2 (a meal), then i will have 4 sandwiches (more than i can eat)

Mathematically, there is no evidence: 2+2=4 is undeniably true.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

sure it is. 2 + 2 = 4 it is evident that if i add 2 sandwiches to my current 2 (a meal), then i will have 4 sandwiches (more than i can eat)

I'll try another approach: if evidence and proof are the same thing, do you think this headline that I grabbed from a random web page is logically coherent?

Industry Testing of Toxic Pesticides on Human Subjects Concluded “No Effect,” Despite the Evidence

 

[sniper762]

what is "deniable" about my word explanation of the mathematical equasion? even a 1st grader could understand its truth

 

[Richard Hayman]

Lets be fair. Atheist do not usually demand evidence (because they know there isn't any) and Christians (and other theists) usually don't prove God's existence (for the same reason). If you don't want to believe in God, then don't. If we want to believe in God, we do. It is really that simple.
But it is fun to debate. That's why we do it.
Welcome to the RF.

I'll admit I love to debate as much as the next person.... But I am an anti-theist, not only do I not believe in anything superstitious at all, but I also oppose them as well on the basis that religion does more harm to our species than good.

There are deep moral and ethical consequences of Religion today and always has been.

 

[PolyHedral]

what is "deniable" about my word explanation of the mathematical equasion? even a 1st grader could understand its truth

Yes, but a first grader couldn't understand the truth of ~(P^~P) despite the fact that it is more important than 2+2=4. My point is that "evidence" doesn't exist in mathematics. All theorems are either true, false, or undecidable, and can be proven so with no element of doubt.

 

[sniper762]

christine, read the posts in this thread as well as other threads on this forum and you will see that atheists DO demand proof of christian's views and christians DO post what they call evidence in an effort to prove that their beliefs and sourses ARE infallible.

 

[sniper762]

you speaketh with forked tounge'

you say: All theorems are either true, false, or undecidable, and can be proven so with no element of doubt.

yet you say that evidence does not prove mathematics

 

[PolyHedral]

Yes, because in mathematics, all truths are deduced from previous truths.

 

[Beaudreaux]

EVIDENCE AND PROOF "ARE" THE SAME[/

dude....no need to yell...

 

[ChristineES]

I'll admit I love to debate as much as the next person.... But I am an anti-theist, not only do I not believe in anything superstitious at all, but I also oppose them as well on the basis that religion does more harm to our species than good.

There are deep moral and ethical consequences of Religion today and always has been.

I don't agree. I don't consider my faith a superstition and I don't think all the world's problems can be blamed by religion (I blame people for the world's problems).

 

[Noaidi]

I don't agree. I don't consider my faith a superstition and I don't think all the world's problems can be blamed by religion (I blame people for the world's problems).

I think Richard Hayman was talking about the motivation many people have for their actions. Yes, people are to blame, but what causes many of them to act the way they do?

 

[ChristineES]

I think Richard Hayman was talking about the motivation many people have for their actions. Yes, people are to blame, but what causes many of them to act the way they do?

There are a lot of causes- greed, jealousy, selfishness, pride, ignorance. Religion may be a catalyst (among many, many) for some problems, but the underlying cause is not the religion itself.

 

[Noaidi]

There are a lot of causes- greed, jealousy, selfishness, pride, ignorance. Religion may be a catalyst (among many, many) for some problems, but the underlying cause is not the religion itself.

That depends what the religion is saying or teaching its followers, though. If a holy book incites hatred or disapproval towards a group, then its followers may be inclined to act on it.

 

[sniper762]

motivation derives from one of two things, good or evil. or you could say god or the devil. one can not be present with the other.

 

[ChristineES]

That depends what the religion is saying or teaching its followers, though. If a holy book incites hatred or disapproval towards a group, then its followers may be inclined to act on it.

Sometimes a religion can have that problem. I think about Jim Jones. But I also think of Manson, who didn't seem to have faith of any kind but was able to get people to murder for him.
I don't believe in spreading hate of any kind.

 

[Noaidi]

Sometimes a religion can have that problem. I think about Jim Jones. But I also think of Manson, who didn't seem to have faith of any kind but was able to get people to murder for him.
I don't believe in spreading hate of any kind.

I agree.