Christianity vs. Islam

[whirlingmerc]

The Quran shows and proves beyond doubt, those who deify other then God himself and worship others, do so for their idols of this world which are their own leaders they chose.

Family is important, but God and the path of his guiding by the truth should not be compromised for sake of family.

It's hard to leave idols our family make. Even Mohammad if we blindly follow scholars or disobey God to obey scholars, becomes an idol among our idols and even a less idol compared to the reverence and value we give the scholars we obey.

Neither Christians nor Muslims worship God alone, till, they return their affairs to God and stop idolizing humans to justify their identity that Iblis creates in falsehood in them.

We need leadership true, so God proves that, after the founder, twelve luminaries. It was true of the past, and is true of the family of the reminder today.

"Twelver manner of fruits and the leaves were a healing for the nations" - Revelations.

The sad thing is by nature 'man is an idol factory/ and even in his religious endeavors can make a God of his own choosing and a caricature of the real God

 

[whirlingmerc]

Bryant Wood is agenda driven.. He is an example of pseudoarchaeology.

Bryant G. Wood is a biblical archaeologist and young earth creationist. He is Research Director of Associates for Biblical Research and editor of their quarterly archaeology magazine Bible and Spade, which is explicitly committed to the use of archaeology to demonstrate the historical veracity of the Old and New Testaments.
Bryant G. Wood - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryant_G._Wood

Bryant Wood is an expert in Canaanite pottery which is crucial to dating. His findings are quite noteworthy. Pretty much buried the assumptions of the liberal views of Jericho such as Kathleen Kenyon promoted.

Early Archeologist Garstabg found support for bronze age artifacts and the conservative dating stood.

Twenty years later Kathleen Kenyon claimed a late date for Jericho because she didn't find the expensive Phoenician pottery, sadly she dug in the place po' folks lived and radical skepticism reigned over liberal 'scholarship .

Bryant Wood was a thorough archeologist dug in the richer sections and found it and collected all the artifacts of all the previous expeditions. The conservative dating fits quite well. Dating of the remains of Joshua's conquests also showed the cities falling contemporaneous with that and fits the book of Joshua very well.

The liberal claims of Kenyan were debunked but go on as if on gas fumed. Kathleen Kenyon didn't even bother to date the local pottery where Gastang did and was 'spot on'

The walls fell... the skeptics claims fell.... kaboom!!!

Archeology for the Koran? would be interesting to hear.

 

[Link]

The gospel of John claims Jesus was God's word, the 'let there be' creating the universe.
The epistles have the world not only made by through to Jesus but FOR Jesus.

This is your understanding and you rely on limited translations and interpretations. I've read the Gospels and I found no trinity in there, neither Jesus calling him to be worshiped nor this sacrifice for all sins you guys make out of it.

I saw nothing but manifestation of what each star of the family of David/Aaron/Moses were and what the stars of the family of Abraham were, and what Adam and Seth were, and what Enoch and Noah were, and I saw a clear indication after all praise of Jesus that God spoke about Jesus through Jesus, that there would be a like of him to come, and during the time in between another one who is the holy spirit as well, and I see clearly what was meant by John being as Elijah and why that implied Elijah literally came back, as there is always the word of God and light on earth, and Elijah was the hidden guide between Jesus and Mohammad, and no doubt the Gospels after praising Jesus, talked about another one to come in the future with similar or even greater praise.

And indeed the Gospels were to say, this what you had with David and Solomon, and Samuel and the chosen guides, and this is the favor of God of his anointed kings, and surely, there is one to come, and so don't squander that gift from God and prepare the way, and there will be divinely appointed kings coming and Gospels makes it clear, these are the pathway to God by which there is no pathway to God but through them.

 

[sooda]

Bryant Wood is an expert in Canaanite pottery which is crucial to dating. His findings are quite noteworthy. Pretty much buried the assumptions of the liberal views of Jericho such as Kathleen Kenyon promoted.

So you are a radical skeptic?

No.. I am not a radical skeptic. I do think archaeology should stand on its own.. Jericho was uninhabited during the fiction of Joshua's wars and had been collapsed and rebuilt many times.

There is NO evidence that Canaanite cities were abandoned or interrupted. They were prosperous and paid tribute to Pharaoh.

If he's an expert at dating Canaanite pottery, he would know that Goshen is an Arab word from the 7th century BC.

 

[AJustA]

quran proved "Allah" is the only right creator , at quran we can see a lot of "creator" is Properties , cuz his the right god cuz quran is right book :

surah al-ikhlas (112) :

In the name of allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
”proclaim,He is the one and only God”
“The absolute God”
“Never did he beget,nor was begotten”
“None equals him”

allah say his 4 unique Properties , and what about jesus at bible ??

jesus is just a human , FIND THE RIGHT CREATOR

who really create you , and still give you time to live .

 

[sun rise]

The first word that comes to mind is "shallow" -- the second is "disrespectful."

See God's Love in the Qur'an.

A good source in my judgement is God’s Love in the Qurʾān

 

[sun rise]

I did speak partly to the nature of God
but I will try again

In the Bible God is true to Himself and his name is tied to his character which includes lovingkindness I add that in a Trinity there is love and community and communication along with glory from eternity and love is first hand part of God's character Power and glory go together. God is good and God is great and God is love.

In the Koran God is powerful and before the creation was made there would not be anything else to love and in that sense power is more first hand to God's nature and love more secondhand

That is not what the Quran says about God.

 

[sun rise]

The sad thing is by nature 'man is an idol factory/ and even in his religious endeavors can make a God of his own choosing and a caricature of the real God

How can limited humans comprehend something further beyond us than an ant trying to imagine a human?

 

[Estro Felino]

They both turned him into something he's not, deviating from how he is in Judaism. Christianity looked at Satan and created the devil; Islam did not correct this mistake. And, also, both do have those who believe in predestination, which is a terribly hateful and spiteful belief that ultimately is saying god creates people with the full knowledge and intention of making them just to send them to hell (something else they created as the location and concept are foreign to Judaism).

With all due respect...you typed your religion is "God is in the Rain".
What does it mean?

 

[AJustA]

Sura 17: AL-ISRA
Say: 'If mankind and jinn combined together to produce the like of this qoran, they would never be able to produce one like it, not even if they were to help one another. ' (88)

im happy becuze no one can defeat quran .

 

[LightofTruth]

I am a Christian and I have on occasion read parts of the Quran. This is the major difference between the God of the Quran (Allah) and the God of the Bible and it is significant. In the Bible, God first loved us; unconditionally. No matter what we do He still loves us. In the Quran, Allah’s love is conditional upon obedience. Obey first, then He will love you. Anyone have any thoughts?

You make the God of the Bible sound as if He were obligated to forgive our sins no matter if we repent or not or even if we fail to ask forgiveness when we sin. That's not the case.
In order to obtain the promises of God Christians must render the obedience of faith.

 

[sooda]

Bryant Wood is an expert in Canaanite pottery which is crucial to dating. His findings are quite noteworthy. Pretty much buried the assumptions of the liberal views of Jericho such as Kathleen Kenyon promoted.

Early Archeologist Garstabg found support for bronze age artifacts and the conservative dating stood.

Twenty years later Kathleen Kenyon claimed a late date for Jericho because she didn't find the expensive Phoenician pottery, sadly she dug in the place po' folks lived and radical skepticism reigned over liberal 'scholarship .

Bryant Wood was a thorough archeologist dug in the richer sections and found it and collected all the artifacts of all the previous expeditions. The conservative dating fits quite well. Dating of the remains of Joshua's conquests also showed the cities falling contemporaneous with that and fits the book of Joshua very well.

The liberal claims of Kenyan were debunked but go on as if on gas fumed. Kathleen Kenyon didn't even bother to date the local pottery where Gastang did and was 'spot on'

The walls fell... the skeptics claims fell.... kaboom!!!

Archeology for the Koran? would be interesting to hear.

Even three decades ago in the USA, the 'substantial historicity' of the patriarchs was widely accepted as was the unified conquest of the land. These days it is quite difficult to find anyone who takes that view.

The Jerusalem of King David is was under ten acres and 1000 people.

 

[AJustA]

hello?

 

[QuestioningMind]

I am a Christian and I have on occasion read parts of the Quran. This is the major difference between the God of the Quran (Allah) and the God of the Bible and it is significant. In the Bible, God first loved us; unconditionally. No matter what we do He still loves us. In the Quran, Allah’s love is conditional upon obedience. Obey first, then He will love you. Anyone have any thoughts?

I'd have to say that I think you are completely wrong. The god of the Christian bible once killed almost every single man woman and child on the planet for being disobedient. That's hardly the definition of unconditional love.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Both Islam and Christianity have a concept of God that can be both benevolent and cruel--a symbol for the relationship between emotional beings and the tumultuous Universe they find themselves in.

Adherents to both religions seem to respond to this symbol as a supernormal stimulus for psychological responses related to "parent"--which can be benevolent or otherwise depending on the individual.

Interestingly, there appears to be a major difference between religious groups associating with politics and those who exist independently of their secular state. Both Islam and Christianity have examples of extreme cruelty and violence when associating themselves somehow politically, but both also appear to exist productively and peacefully when separate from the political state.

 

[sooda]

Both Islam and Christianity have a concept of God that can be both benevolent and cruel--a symbol for the relationship between emotional beings and the tumultuous Universe they find themselves in.

Adherents to both religions seem to respond to this symbol as a supernormal stimulus for psychological responses related to "parent"--which can be benevolent or otherwise depending on the individual.

Interestingly, there appears to be a major difference between religious groups associating with politics and those who exist independently of their secular state. Both Islam and Christianity have examples of extreme cruelty and violence when associating themselves somehow politically, but both also appear to exist productively and peacefully when separate from the political state.

Islamic rules on the conduct of warfare are positively enlightened compared to the old testament.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

With all due respect...you typed your religion is "God is in the Rain".
What does it mean?

It's a rather complex idea and you'll have to ask me again when I'm back home and on a real keyboard. But, truthfully, it's exact meaning I don't know and I've had several discussions about it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Islamic rules on the conduct of warfare are positively enlightened compared to the old testament.

Where? When? Butchery and enslavement should never be described as "positively enlightened." Sure, the Ottoman empire may be let jews and Christians practice, but it came at a cost. "Try these things first but if they don't work then destroy them all" is atrocious. How enlightened is it, really, to give a warning and extension of peace if they convert but destroy them if they don't?

 

[Rival]

hello?

Shalom.

 

[ChristineM]

hello?

Hi and welcome to RF. Looks like you are having fun here already.