Christianity vs. Islam

[Rival]

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[whirlingmerc]

U didnt even look up that verse did you? You had a readymade response. Like a superglue. Paste anything with it.

I am very familiar with the range of situations and there are about 3
as I said ... could add more

In the days of David, there was a famine in the land and it was due to Saul's mistreatment of the Gibeonites in killing many despite promises and covenants made by Israel to them. The next generation grew up and the new generation of Gibeonites suffered loss of their fathers and cried to God. The remedy was to punish some of Saul's sons... in thet case there was a mix of consequences and a judgement

But in all these categories its not the same thing in the same way which would be the stuff applicable to the law of contradictions.

 

[firedragon]

I am very familiar with the range of situations and there are about 3
as I said ... could add more

In the days of David, there was a famine in the land and it was due to Saul's mistreatment of the Gibeonites in killing many despite promises and covenants made by Israel to them. The next generation grew up and the new generation of Gibeonites suffered loss of their fathers and cried to God. The remedy was to punish some of Saul's sons... in thet case there was a mix of consequences and a judgement

But in all these categories its not the same thing in the same way which would be the stuff applicable to the law of contradictions.

Still you didnt check the verse. Generic answer ready made for anything. Nice.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Slightly better than Christians being both opposed to Jews AND Muslims.
But this is not a confirmation of your allegation, because that is a false generalization that is based in your own offense drawn from the exclusive truthclaim of the idea that salvation is only through some incarnation of God as a god-man. That's your business, not ours.



A wannabe of what? the very Revelation of Islam is clearly not an attempt to conform to the Judeo-Christian bubblewrap.



First you'd have to explain to us how Christianity isn't an enemy of God, Judaism, Islam and every other religion. Remember you're the one with the exclusivist, propagandist religion speaking.



Yet just a second ago you claim that "Muhammad simply wanted a religion for the Arab peoples". Make up your mind



Now THIS is a ruse. It's a case of "when I say it, it's legit but when someone else says it they're evil liars". This special pleading is hilarious. The west does have an obvious Christianity bias though, it's the religion that people love even though they hate or (or love it through their hatred of it, such as found among Atheist criticism). It's familiar, easy to package, easy to sell and propagate because it's completely subjective once the Catholic church are thrown out of the picture. Easy to turn into a newagey 'peace and love' farce, but this is anything but what Christianity has shown itself to be time and time again throughout history. Christianity for the most part will never be that, Matthew 5-7 is absent from the worldviews of most Christians. You prop yourself and your religion up with conceit and self-righteousness to veil your vicious hateful snare.

Islam wants to build itself on the prophets of the Bible. But then distorts what is said in the Bible. It blends it's 'new' religion from Muhammad, with it's old pagan beliefs. So, yes. Islam does not conform to the Bible, or Judaism or Christianity. It distorts it.

Well, I said 'My thought is this. Islam is the enemy of God and Christianity'. Why do I have to explain Christianity's relationship to all other religions? I don't. I will, but I don't have to. Christianity is certainly in opposition to all other religions. Because there is only one way to be right with God....Jesus Christ. This is so stated in the Bible, the Word of God. You don't really need verses do you? I mean, they wouldn't really mean anything to you.

That Islam's goal is to bring every country where Islam exists under it's submission does not contradict that it's a religion for the Arab peoples. Oh yes, there are a few followers from other people, but it is Arab.

Of course the West has a bias towards Christ and Christianity. That was God's intent. (Acts 16:6-10) Don't misunderstand me. I am not a newagey, peace and love type Christianity. I have no problem hating. Of course Islam loves it when Christianity is based on (Matt. 5-7). That opens the door for the Muslim to enter in 'peacefully' and set about to destroy the country where he exists. They are all about peace....till they have the numbers.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[sooda]

Islam wants to build itself on the prophets of the Bible. But then distorts what is said in the Bible. It blends it's 'new' religion from Muhammad, with it's old pagan beliefs. So, yes. Islam does not conform to the Bible, or Judaism or Christianity. It distorts it.

Well, I said 'My thought is this. Islam is the enemy of God and Christianity'. Why do I have to explain Christianity's relationship to all other religions? I don't. I will, but I don't have to. Christianity is certainly in opposition to all other religions. Because there is only one way to be right with God....Jesus Christ. This is so stated in the Bible, the Word of God. You don't really need verses do you? I mean, they wouldn't really mean anything to you.

That Islam's goal is to bring every country where Islam exists under it's submission does not contradict that it's a religion for the Arab peoples. Oh yes, there are a few followers from other people, but it is Arab.

Of course the West has a bias towards Christ and Christianity. That was God's intent. (Acts 16:6-10) Don't misunderstand me. I am not a newagey, peace and love type Christianity. I have no problem hating. Of course Islam loves it when Christianity is based on (Matt. 5-7). That opens the door for the Muslim to enter in 'peacefully' and set about to destroy the country where he exists. They are all about peace....till they have the numbers.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Christians changed the meaning of the Torah.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Christians changed the meaning of the Torah.

So why do you call yourself Christian?

Good-Old-Rebel

 

[sooda]

So why do you call yourself Christian?

Good-Old-Rebel

Because I can read the OT and see where Christians have hijacked certain verses to promote Christianity doesn't undermine my faith.

 

[metis]

Basically making an Elohim into El is a form of idolatry

Actually it's the other way around. The historical root of "Eloheim" and "Allah" is from the Sumerian name "El", which is why we refer to Judaism and Islam of being of the "El Tradition". One could even through in Christianity, although none of the names for God directly come from "El".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Islam wants to build itself on the prophets of the Bible. But then distorts what is said in the Bible. It blends it's 'new' religion from Muhammad, with it's old pagan beliefs. So, yes. Islam does not conform to the Bible, or Judaism or Christianity. It distorts it.

We can just as easily do this:
Christianity wants to build itself on the traditions of the Tanakh. But then distorts what is said. It blends it's 'new' religion from Moses, with old European pagan beliefs. So, yes. Christianity does not conform to the Teachings, or the Prophets, or the Writings. It distorts Judaism as a whole.

 

[metis]

The major approach of Christianity came from Judaism, however since the Church split off and became increasingly more Gentile, there was no need to mimic or apply all that was found in the Tanakh.

 

[wizanda]

Actually it's the other way around. The historical root of "Eloheim" and "Allah" is from the Sumerian name "El", which is why we refer to Judaism and Islam of being of the "El Tradition".

With a Bible software, like Esword with a KJV+ to search Strongs numbers, we can see that isn't right according to the Bible; using a totally different religion, and imposing its language usages onto the Bible isn't logical.

• El - H410 is the Source.
• Eloh - H433 is a Divine Being.
• Elohim - H430 is Divine Beings, referring to Beings manifest by Source.

H added to a word in Ancient Hebrew, which is a pictographic language, means it is something breathed/manifest by Source...

Like Abram & Sara were blessed with the breath of Source, and became Abraham, and Sarah.

As saying according to the Curse of Moses, people shall soon be removed by Holy Quantum Fire for rejecting El (Source) the father, which is above the Divine Beings (Elohim - Deuteronomy 32:17-22).

Deuteronomy 32:17-18 They sacrificed to demons, not to our Divine Being, to Divine Beings that they didn’t know, to new ideas that came up recently, which your fathers didn’t dread. (18) Of the Rock who became your father, you are unmindful, and have forgotten the Source who gave you birth.

Yeshua and John the Baptist as Elijah fulfilled Malachi 4:4-6, placing the Curse of Moses onto Israel (Deuteronomy 28), when they paid 30 pieces of silver divorcing him in Zechariah 11.

They came to lead the hearts of the children back to the Father; Yeshua's father is the God Most High (El Elyon - Luke 1:32, Luke 6:35).

Yeshua was praying Eli Eli, and people thought he meant Elijah (Matthew 27:46-47); which shows the language was confused two thousand years ago.

Yeshua said the earlier Rabbinic Jews didn't actually know his father (Matthew 11:27); the reason for this is because of the confusions in the languages.

Isaiah 46:9 warns us how to fix it, by pointing back to the Ancient Theological construct in Deuteronomy 32:7-9.

Since we can show Yeshua was Elohim (Isaiah 52:10), people didn't understand our Source is El Elyon the God Most High.

In Malachi 1:9, which is the contexts of the father not having respect (Malachi 1:6); we see Yahavah praying to El the Source, when that is understood, that Elohim pray to El it shows the Divine Council are below the Source.

Yahavah Elohim is literally the same as saying Lord Brahma of the Avatars...Where above Brahma is Brahman, and above Yahavah is El Elyon.

The Quran is stating the same as Krishna states in the Bhagavad Gita, we should only worship the Source (Allah); not things that are forms manifest from it.

Worshipping an Elohim as El is a form of idolatry; as we've made an image of the Divine, according to the Biblical contexts.

In my opinion.

 

[metis]

With a Bible software, like Esword with a KJV+ to search Strongs numbers, we can see that isn't right according to the Bible; using a totally different religion, and imposing its language usages onto the Bible isn't logical.

• El - H410 is the Source.
• Eloh - H433 is a Divine Being.
• Elohim - H430 is Divine Beings, referring to Beings manifest by Source.

H added to a word in Ancient Hebrew, which is a pictographic language, means it is something breathed/manifest by Source...

Like Abram & Sara were blessed with the breath of Source, and became Abraham, and Sarah.

As saying according to the Curse of Moses, people shall soon be removed by Holy Quantum Fire for rejecting El (Source) the father, which is above the Divine Beings (Elohim - Deuteronomy 32:17-22).

Deuteronomy 32:17-18 They sacrificed to demons, not to our Divine Being, to Divine Beings that they didn’t know, to new ideas that came up recently, which your fathers didn’t dread. (18) Of the Rock who became your father, you are unmindful, and have forgotten the Source who gave you birth.

Yeshua and John the Baptist as Elijah fulfilled Malachi 4:4-6, placing the Curse of Moses onto Israel (Deuteronomy 28), when they paid 30 pieces of silver divorcing him in Zechariah 11.

They came to lead the hearts of the children back to the Father; Yeshua's father is the God Most High (El Elyon - Luke 1:32, Luke 6:35).

Yeshua was praying Eli Eli, and people thought he meant Elijah (Matthew 27:46-47); which shows the language was confused two thousand years ago.

Yeshua said the earlier Rabbinic Jews didn't actually know his father (Matthew 11:27); the reason for this is because of the confusions in the languages.

Isaiah 46:9 warns us how to fix it, by pointing back to the Ancient Theological construct in Deuteronomy 32:7-9.

Since we can show Yeshua was Elohim (Isaiah 52:10), people didn't understand our Source is El Elyon the God Most High.

In Malachi 1:9, which is the contexts of the father not having respect (Malachi 1:6); we see Yahavah praying to El the Source, when that is understood, that Elohim pray to El it shows the Divine Council are below the Source.

Yahavah Elohim is literally the same as saying Lord Brahma of the Avatars...Where above Brahma is Brahman, and above Yahavah is El Elyon.

The Quran is stating the same as Krishna states in the Bhagavad Gita, we should only worship the Source (Allah); not things that are forms manifest from it.

Worshipping an Elohim as El is a form of idolatry; as we've made an image of the Divine, according to the Biblical contexts.

In my opinion.

Consider looking up "El" and "Elohim" and "Allah" even in Wikipedia to see the evolution of the name "El" into the others as I'm leaving very shortly.

 

[sooda]

With a Bible software, like Esword with a KJV+ to search Strongs numbers, we can see that isn't right according to the Bible; using a totally different religion, and imposing its language usages onto the Bible isn't logical.

• El - H410 is the Source.
• Eloh - H433 is a Divine Being.
• Elohim - H430 is Divine Beings, referring to Beings manifest by Source.

H added to a word in Ancient Hebrew, which is a pictographic language, means it is something breathed/manifest by Source...

Like Abram & Sara were blessed with the breath of Source, and became Abraham, and Sarah.

As saying according to the Curse of Moses, people shall soon be removed by Holy Quantum Fire for rejecting El (Source) the father, which is above the Divine Beings (Elohim - Deuteronomy 32:17-22).

Deuteronomy 32:17-18 They sacrificed to demons, not to our Divine Being, to Divine Beings that they didn’t know, to new ideas that came up recently, which your fathers didn’t dread. (18) Of the Rock who became your father, you are unmindful, and have forgotten the Source who gave you birth.

Yeshua and John the Baptist as Elijah fulfilled Malachi 4:4-6, placing the Curse of Moses onto Israel (Deuteronomy 28), when they paid 30 pieces of silver divorcing him in Zechariah 11.

They came to lead the hearts of the children back to the Father; Yeshua's father is the God Most High (El Elyon - Luke 1:32, Luke 6:35).

Yeshua was praying Eli Eli, and people thought he meant Elijah (Matthew 27:46-47); which shows the language was confused two thousand years ago.

Yeshua said the earlier Rabbinic Jews didn't actually know his father (Matthew 11:27); the reason for this is because of the confusions in the languages.

Isaiah 46:9 warns us how to fix it, by pointing back to the Ancient Theological construct in Deuteronomy 32:7-9.

Since we can show Yeshua was Elohim (Isaiah 52:10), people didn't understand our Source is El Elyon the God Most High.

In Malachi 1:9, which is the contexts of the father not having respect (Malachi 1:6); we see Yahavah praying to El the Source, when that is understood, that Elohim pray to El it shows the Divine Council are below the Source.

Yahavah Elohim is literally the same as saying Lord Brahma of the Avatars...Where above Brahma is Brahman, and above Yahavah is El Elyon.

The Quran is stating the same as Krishna states in the Bhagavad Gita, we should only worship the Source (Allah); not things that are forms manifest from it.

Worshipping an Elohim as El is a form of idolatry; as we've made an image of the Divine, according to the Biblical contexts.

In my opinion.

Israelites borrowed all their names for God from the North coast Canaanites.. See Ugaritic tablets at Ras Shamra.

 

[wizanda]

Consider looking up "El" and "Elohim" and "Allah" even in Wikipedia to see the evolution of the name "El" into the others as I'm leaving very shortly.

I'm citing exact context from the Tanakh, which shows the data to present a clear case; using Wikipedia with information where people are not dealing with the language or historical contexts correctly, isn't being logical.

The Quran, and Bible make far more sense contextually, and not dealing with the evidence within them; whilst letting the false leaders misrepresent the texts, is why the Great Tribulation is prophesied to happen soon, according to the texts.

In my opinion.

 

[sooda]

I'm citing exact context from the Tanakh, which shows the data to present a clear case; using Wikipedia with information where people are not dealing with the language or historical contexts, isn't being logical.

The Quran, and Bible make far more sense contextually, and not dealing with the evidence within them; whilst letting the false leaders misrepresent the texts, is why the Great Tribulation is prophesied to happen soon, according to the texts.

In my opinion.

The tribulation was local and over long ago.
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[Firemorphic]

Islam wants to build itself on the prophets of the Bible.

So are you, like Atheists, just saying here that the Prophets were just book characters?

But then distorts what is said in the Bible.

How can it 'distort' the Bible? if the Qur'an is the word of God than the Bible (which is the word of man), is completely irrelevant.

It blends it's 'new' religion from Muhammad, with it's old pagan beliefs.

It's the opposite. The Qur'an constantly speaks against such things.

So, yes. Islam does not conform to the Bible, or Judaism or Christianity.

You're missing the point here. You see supremacy in the Bible (for whatever reasons) but the Bible is irrelevant to the actual theological, metaphysical, socio-political and cosmic concerns espoused within the Abrahamic view of successive Prophets and the one-source (God ultimately, and Adam corporeally).

Well, I said 'My thought is this. Islam is the enemy of God and Christianity'. Why do I have to explain Christianity's relationship to all other religions?

Because unlike Islam's views on other religions (which are very nuanced and sophisticated, not superficial), Christianity is the sworn enemy of anyone who denies Jesus as 'god-incarnate'. No matter how much you claim yourself to be a 'unique Christian', this is absolute the case; both with the New Testament itself and with Christian views historically, past and present.

Christianity is certainly in opposition to all other religions. Because there is only one way to be right with God....Jesus Christ.

As said in the above, this is exactly the problem.
The Islamic view however is different. Salvation is through God only and it is not based on the same faulty premise of Christianity. Salvation is transhistorical, not reduced down to belief in a single human being, claimed to be god-incarnate, contradicting everything else in the Abrahamic tradition.

This is what the Qur'an says:

Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Zoroastrians and those who associate (others with God)-- surely God will decide between them on the day of resurrection; surely God is a witness over all things.
- Surah 22:17

That Islam's goal is to bring every country where Islam exists under it's submission does not contradict that it's a religion for the Arab peoples. Oh yes, there are a few followers from other people, but it is Arab.

This reductionist view is the same thing that causes wars. You think of Islam as a monolith, which is blatantly fallacious. You think of Islam as an entity too, which is plain idiotic.

As far as Arabs, why are you so obsessed with them?

As the Qur'an says in Surah 41:44
And if We had made it a Quran in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said: Why have not its communications been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arab!
Say: It is to those who believe a guidance and a healing; and (as for) those who do not believe, there is a heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; these shall be called to from a far-off place.

It doesn't matter where God revealed a message or in what language, it will be revealed somewhere or in a language. Islam is not an Arab religion, in fact Muhammad had to frequently chastise people for trying to take that slant. Islam is a way of life and the devotion of pure-monotheism.

Of course the West has a bias towards Christ and Christianity. That was God's intent.

Yes because it unveils the prejudice lurking in the heart of that mindset. As well as an arrogance against the idea of understanding things.

I am not a newagey, peace and love type Christianity. I have no problem hating.

You completely miss why I mentioned that. Either you admit the very heavy darkness at the root of most forms of Christianity or you cover your eyes and claim 'peace and love'.
Yes, you've already demonstrated the latter.

Of course Islam loves it when Christianity is based on (Matt. 5-7). That opens the door for the Muslim to enter in 'peacefully' and set about to destroy the country where he exists. They are all about peace....till they have the numbers.

Like the previous, you completely miss the point of mentioning this. What Matthew 5-7 represents, is what the entire Abrahamic religion is meant to represent without hypocrisy. Whatever strange views you hold will not take away that the Qur'an teaches the same thing.
However I know that Matthew 5-7 is not the reason why so many Christians convert to Christianity, St John of Patmos' Apocalypse is more of the trajectory for so many of you. Fear of the imminent end-times is a good justification for spreading prejudice and violent tendencies, as well as right-out paranoia. Once you slow down and actually treat people like humans, then you'll find your true peace with God.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You're missing the point here. You see supremacy in the Bible (for whatever reasons) but the Bible is irrelevant to the actual theological, metaphysical, socio-political and cosmic concerns espoused within the Abrahamic view of successive Prophets and the one-source (God ultimately, and Adam corporeally).

Or, we have this:
You're missing the point here. You see supremacy in the Quran (for whatever reasons) but the Quran is irrelevant to the actual theological, metaphysical, socio-political and cosmic concerns espoused within the Abrahamic view of successive Prophets and God.
And round and round Christians and Muslims go, neither being able to prove themselves over the other.

 

[Firemorphic]

Or, we have this:
You're missing the point here. You see supremacy in the Quran (for whatever reasons) but the Quran is irrelevant to the actual theological, metaphysical, socio-political and cosmic concerns espoused within the Abrahamic view of successive Prophets and God.
And round and round Christians and Muslims go, neither being able to prove themselves over the other.

How so?

If Prophets are real things, then there has to actually be real flesh-and-blood Prophets at some point and not just rumor of such a thing. Only the Qur'an breaks out of that loop, because it's delivered and propagated by a real-life Prophet (or at the very least, someone who claimed to this and got a massive following) who's life is not part of the same text (therefore revelation occupying a different set of literature to the biography and teachings of the aforementioned Prophet).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

or at the very least, someone who claimed to this and got a massive following)

So did Jesus, and Moses.

How so?

There are over 1000 years worth of examples of Christians and Muslims insisting they are right and the other is wrong.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Because I can read the OT and see where Christians have hijacked certain verses to promote Christianity doesn't undermine my faith.

If you disagree with Christianity, why do you call yourself Christian. That is the label you use.

Good-Ole-Rebel