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Christianity vs. spiritualism, sorcery, and witchcraft

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Black.Knight

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Are there any Christian sects or denominations which would openly tolerate pagan beliefs and practices amongst it's congregations i.e. Wicca, witchcraft, sorcery, black magic, spiritualism, spiritism, occultism, reincarnation, and freemasonary?

Could a churchgoer be rightly considered a "christian" - at least in a nominal sense - if he/she secretly has such beliefs and practices, which are not made known to the other members of the church?

I would appreciate a definitive answer from an authoritative source. Please give reasons to support your answers.
 
Biblestudent_007

Biblestudent_007

Active Member
The holy Bible; there is a verse the book of Deuteronomy that forbids and outlaws any form of witchcraft and sorcery. Yes, Magick,divinization,sorcery,tarot cards, fortune tellers etc etc . .

However, a person that is involved,dabbling,in a practicing what God's law(s) forbids and prohibits can repent and change with the help of his/her Bible-based church.

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blackout

blackout

Violet.
There are denominations who discourage their members
from becoming freemasons.
They feel christianity and freemasonry don't go together.
(I think Roman Catholic is one... but am not completely sure)
 
EtuMalku

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
How does one account for all the magic, sorcery and mysticism performed by both Moses and Jesus if they are forbidden?
 
Midnight Pete

Midnight Pete

Well-Known Member
Black.Knight said:
Are there any Christian sects or denominations which would openly tolerate pagan beliefs and practices amongst it's congregations i.e. Wicca, witchcraft, sorcery, black magic, spiritualism, spiritism, occultism, reincarnation, and freemasonary?
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It would have to be a very liberal church indeed, to tolerate such things among its congregation. So liberal in fact, as to be no longer indentifiably Christian. It would be some kind of bastardized syncretic religion recognizable by no one as anything in particular.

Could a churchgoer be rightly considered a "christian" - at least in a nominal sense - if he/she secretly has such beliefs and practices, which are not made known to the other members of the church?
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That depends on whether he/she is willing to conceal these beliefs/practises from his/her church, and for how long.

I would appreciate a definitive answer from an authoritative source. Please give reasons to support your answers.
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I am an authoritative source insofar as I am a lifelong Christian with a decent understanding of scripture and theology. Here are some Bible quotes to address this subject:

EXODUS 22:18
"Do not allow a sorceress to live."

LEVITICUS 20:6
'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God."

LEVITICUS 20:27
"'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.' "

Please understand that the above verses are from the Old Testament and were given to a different people (the Jews) under a different covenant (Mosaic Law.) They do not represent the New Covenant which we Christians are under. The Old Covenant was Law. The New Covenant is Grace (in Jesus Christ).
 
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blackout

blackout

Violet.
christians practice magicks under a christian veneer ALL THE TIME.

I see it constantly.

Differing denominations/congregations package them differently,
but packaging is just packaging.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
Black.Knight said:
Are there any Christian sects or denominations which would openly tolerate pagan beliefs and practices amongst it's congregations i.e. Wicca, witchcraft, sorcery, black magic, spiritualism, spiritism, occultism, reincarnation, and freemasonary?
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UU.

What is CUUPS?


Could a churchgoer be rightly considered a "christian" - at least in a nominal sense - if he/she secretly has such beliefs and practices, which are not made known to the other members of the church?
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Why keep it a secret? Why not find a Christian church that encourages the full expression of your personal beliefs and a congregation that practices neighbourly and non-discriminating love?

I would appreciate a definitive answer from an authoritative source. Please give reasons to support your answers.
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How about Jesus - will he do?

34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.John 13:34-35


Jesus wasn't reluctant to hobnob with prostitutes and tax collectors, so, if I were to become a follower of his, why should I be more picky than he is?
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
My question is this - do you consider yourself a Christian? If so, let's start with your definition of the word and see if it falls even remotely into any Christian group's definition.

If not, why are you worried about this? Are you actively involved in all the religious practices and groups you mentioned? I mean, if you are practicing Wicca, witchcraft, sorcery, black magic, spiritualism, spiritism, occultism, reincarnation, and freemasonary you must be awfully busy. You want to add Sunday church services to this mix?

Why do you want to add yet another group to your list of affilliations?

I'm not criticizing - just curious.
 
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Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
Midnight Pete said:
Can you elaborate?
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Prayer is essentially the same thing as sorcery or magic as practiced by pagans and wiccans. Pagans and wiccans do ritual magic for all the same reasons theists pray to their god/s. Healing, helping others, bending the fates in their favour, expressing gratitude for perceived blessings, etcm. From a psychological perspective, there isn't any substantive difference. Also, the extensive use of symbolic artifacts, like the body and blood of Christ, is very similar to ritual magic as practiced by pagans.
 
EtuMalku

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Prayer is a process of concentrated visualization, combined with emotional and mental energizing, and then a grounding of these into the physical through proper vocalization. It should lead to union of body, mind and soul.

The ancients were aware of this and used prayer as a technique for implanting positive suggestions. Through the prayer and words, a thoughtform is projected out to the energy system of the individual. The individual is then changed through a forced resonance. It operates according to the Law of Cause and Effect.

Prayer is not to be rote recitations or simple wish-making.
 
blackout

blackout

Violet.
UltraViolet said:
christians practice magicks under a christian veneer ALL THE TIME.

I see it constantly.

Differing denominations/congregations package them differently,
but packaging is just packaging.
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Midnight Pete said:
Can you elaborate?
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There is a little vase of flowers in this room with me,
that has a sign on it....

"These flowers were a part of our worship at ______ church.
They have been blessed by prayers and hymns.
May they bring you joy and blessings today."

The object charged by the magic of intention and ritual.
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blackout

blackout

Violet.
The little "prayer chest" you wear around your neck
with your handwritten prayer in it.
You take the prayer out when the prayer is answered/comes to fruition.
(when it doesn't though, I guess you just throw the paper away? dunno.)
 
blackout

blackout

Violet.
The Roman Catholic eucharist.
The priest, the eucharistic prayer,
the ritual.... the lifiting of the "host" & chalace...

The ritual of trans'formation.
(transubstantiation as a form of transformation)
 
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