Christianity

[King Phenomenon]

You really think people from all over the world would spread Christianity and preach things like Jesus coming back and the resurrection of the dead if it weren’t true? Don’t tell me it’s about money because that’s ridiculous. These are pretty far fetched ideas if you ask me. Do you think people would really spread these far-fetched ideas if they weren’t true? Think about it. It’s so obvious. There is truth in it imo. One just has to know how to see it.

 

[Watchmen]

You really think people from all over the world would spread Christianity and preach things like Jesus coming back and the resurrection of the dead if it weren’t true? Don’t tell me it’s about money because that’s ridiculous. These are pretty far fetched ideas if you ask me. Do you think people would really spread these far-fetched ideas if they weren’t true? Think about it. It’s so obvious. There is truth in it imo. One just has to know how to see it.

The answer to both your questions is Yes.

 

[The Hammer]

You really think people from all over the world would spread Christianity and preach things like Jesus coming back and the resurrection of the dead if it weren’t true?

Yes

Don’t tell me it’s about money because that’s ridiculous.

Ok, it's not about money.

These are pretty far fetched ideas if you ask me. Do you think people would really spread these far-fetched ideas if they weren’t true?

Absolutely

Think about it. It’s so obvious. There is truth in it imo.

There is truth in it, but it is not THE truth. All the myths have kernels of truth to them. The truth in Christianity's story tends to be one of kindness (at least by 2000 year old standards).

 

[King Phenomenon]

Yes

Ok, it's not about money.

Absolutely

There is truth in it, but it is not THE truth. All the myths have kernels of truth to them. The truth in Christianity's story tends to be one of kindness (at least by 2000 year old standards).

It’s cool you don’t see it

 

[ChristineM]

You really think people from all over the world would spread Christianity and preach things like Jesus coming back and the resurrection of the dead if it weren’t true? Don’t tell me it’s about money because that’s ridiculous. These are pretty far fetched ideas if you ask me. Do you think people would really spread these far-fetched ideas if they weren’t true? Think about it. It’s so obvious. There is truth in it imo. One just has to know how to see it.

I'd correct just one phrase... "if it weren’t true" to become "if they believed it weren't true"

Believedis the magic word that makes it make as much sense as any other religion.

 

[Shaul]

You are arguing that popularity equates with truthfulness?

 

[King Phenomenon]

Yes

Ok, it's not about money.

Absolutely

There is truth in it, but it is not THE truth. All the myths have kernels of truth to them. The truth in Christianity's story tends to be one of kindness (at least by 2000 year old standards).

Unfortunately, you totally don’t get what I’m saying, which is cool

 

[King Phenomenon]

You are arguing that popularity equates with truthfulness?

Pretty far-fetched claims to be spreading the world over don’t ya think?

 

[King Phenomenon]

I'd correct just one phrase... "if it weren’t true" to become "if they believed it weren't true"

Believedis the magic word that makes it make as much sense as any other religion.

Eh, I know

 

[Soandso]

You really think people from all over the world would spread Christianity and preach things like Jesus coming back and the resurrection of the dead if it weren’t true? Don’t tell me it’s about money because that’s ridiculous. These are pretty far fetched ideas if you ask me. Do you think people would really spread these far-fetched ideas if they weren’t true? Think about it. It’s so obvious. There is truth in it imo. One just has to know how to see it.

All kinds of people believe all kinds of things. Some people even quit their jobs and run up credit cards because they are absolutely certain the end times will be on a specific date like what happened on May 21 2011 when the prediction by herald camping led to the largest advertisement campaign in the history of humankind

What you are appealing to is argumentum ad populum. It's a logical fallacy. It's bad reasoning. Just because lots of people believe something doesn't make that thing true

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You really think people from all over the world would spread Christianity and preach things like Jesus coming back and the resurrection of the dead if it weren’t true?

I'm with the consensus. Yes, I believe that the story is untrue at least regarding virgin birth, performing miracles, and resurrection, and if that didn't happen, why go to that source for answers or life advice?

There is truth in it imo. One just has to know how to see it.

What other book would you say that about besides something technical like an advanced math or science book? How about The Iliad? Does one need special understanding to understand it? I didn't. Nor Catch 22. Nor In Cold Blood. Nor any other non-technical book except perhaps the Christian Bible when I was a Christian. One just had to believe it, and once that happens, he believes it whatever it says.

You're describing confirmation bias. You see what you believe. You believe that the scriptures are of divine provenance, and so you read them as if they are correct and call those beliefs truth.

 

[King Phenomenon]

All kinds of people believe all kinds of things. Some people even quit their jobs and run up credit cards because they are absolutely certain the end times will be on a specific date like what happened on May 21 2011 when the prediction by herald camping led to the largest advertisement campaign in the history of humankind

What you are appealing to is argumentum ad populum. It's a logical fallacy. It's bad reasoning. Just because lots of people believe something doesn't make that thing true

You’ve missed the point unfortunately.

 

[InChrist]

You really think people from all over the world would spread Christianity and preach things like Jesus coming back and the resurrection of the dead if it weren’t true? Don’t tell me it’s about money because that’s ridiculous. These are pretty far fetched ideas if you ask me. Do you think people would really spread these far-fetched ideas if they weren’t true? Think about it. It’s so obvious. There is truth in it imo. One just has to know how to see it.

I don’t think so many people would spread the message if Jesus Christ, if it were not true. Especially, the early believers and those in many areas who face(d) severe persecution or death. The first disciples/apostles who knew and saw Jesus personally certainly knew whether the accounts concerning Jesus were true or false. Many suffered imprisonment or death because they knew the truth they were not willing to deny at any cost.

 

[Soandso]

You’ve missed the point unfortunately.

You really think people from all over the world would spread Christianity and preach things like Jesus coming back and the resurrection of the dead if it weren’t true?

This is what you said. What am I missing?

 

[Watchmen]

King P, there’s a lot of smart people here and your English is plain. We all know what you’re saying and we disagree with you. Saying “You’ve missed my point” is not a valid rebuttal.

 

[King Phenomenon]

I'm with the consensus. Yes, I believe that the story is untrue at least regarding virgin birth, performing miracles, and resurrection, and if that didn't happen, why go to that source for answers or life advice?

What other book would you say that about besides something technical like an advanced math or science book? How about The Iliad? Does one need special understanding to understand it? I didn't. Nor Catch 22. Nor In Cold Blood. Nor any other non-technical book except perhaps the Christian Bible when I was a Christian. One just had to believe it, and once that happens, he believes it whatever it says.

You're describing confirmation bias. You see what you believe. You believe that the scriptures are of divine provenance, and so you read them as if they are correct and call those beliefs truth.

Divine? No. Close to the truth? Yes. It’s cool you can’t see the truth in it.

 

[King Phenomenon]

I don’t think so many people would spread the message if Jesus Christ, if it were not true. Especially, the early believers and those in many areas who face(d) severe persecution or death. The first disciples/apostles who knew and saw Jesus personally certainly knew whether the accounts concerning Jesus were true or false. Many suffered imprisonment or death because they knew the truth they were not willing to deny at any cost.

Good point even though personally I don’t even believe that time actually happened.

 

[Shaul]

par

Pretty far-fetched claims to be spreading the world over don’t ya think?

Not really, no. There was a time when Baal worship was spread by people. According to the Christian New Testament the worship of Diana was very popular. In the time of Nebuchadnezzer his religion was spread "throughout the world". Then there were the religions of the ancient Greeks, Romans, Mithra and many, many others. All were popular in their time to various extents and spread enthusiastically by their adherents. Where are they now? All gone. Today we see other proselytizing religions besides Christianity such as Islam. The merit of a religion is not based on the propensity of its adherents in proselytizing. Actually the opposite is probably the case. Truth is self evident and doesn't need salesmen.

 

[King Phenomenon]

I’m willing to bet that some people who don’t believe that Christianity symbolically supports the truth secretly believe that it does but reject it because it doesn’t speak the real truth.

 

[King Phenomenon]

par

Not really, no. There was a time when Baal worship was spread by people. According to the Christian New Testament the worship of Diana was very popular. In the time of Nebuchadnezzer his religion was spread "throughout the world". Then there were the religions of the ancient Greeks, Romans, Mithra and many, many others. All were popular in their time to various extents and spread enthusiastically by their adherents. Where are they now? All gone. Today we see other proselytizing religions besides Christianity such as Islam. The merit of a religion is not based on the propensity of its adherents in proselytizing. Actually the opposite is probably the case. Truth is self evident and doesn't need salesmen.

Those are pretty far-fetched claims to be spreading the world over too. Hmm… I wonder, was there some truth to them as well?