Christianophobia?

[retrorich]

retro tsk...you know the ones...like not going to church on sunday...allowing white people to breed with black people......maybe even gay people to be married....and as for drinking and listening to rock and roll!!!

I shall not mention Janet Jacksons breast!

:biglaugh:hoomer! Frubals to you.

 

[No*s]

:biglaugh:hoomer! Frubals to you.

Rich, I'm glad to see that you feel it is praisworthy to downplay the suffering of a whole segment of the population. For my part, I don't think tens of millions of people killed and tortured at the conservative estimate is something to downplay or laugh at.

 

[retrorich]

Rich, I'm glad to see that you feel it is praisworthy to downplay the suffering of a whole segment of the population. For my part, I don't think tens of millions of people killed and tortured at the conservative estimate is something to downplay or laugh at.

No's...I have no idea what you are talking about. I was not laughing about killing or torturing. I was laughing at hoomer's tongue-in-cheek humor about laws threatening Christians. I would have laughed just as hard if he had been poking fun at laws threatening atheists.

Peace, Brother!

 

[No*s]

No's...I have no idea what you are talking about. I was not laughing about killing or torturing. I was laughing at hoomer's tongue-in-cheek humor about laws threatening Christians. I would have laughed just as hard if he had been poking fun at laws threatening atheists.

Peace, Brother!

OK .
EDIT:

Somehow I thought you were praising Hoomer's downplay of it...I was a little upset after reading his "it's because of the population" thing. It was my misreading...sorry and frubals for you for it.

 

[Lightkeeper]

I think the basic concepts of Christianity are beautiful, i.e. love for your fellow man, forgiveness, pulling back your projections. Unfortunately, we get ministers and followers who use Christianity as a means of power to get what they want. People like Dobson scare me. He forces his beliefs on others and uses the media to boycott, etc. Pat Robertson wanting to become president scared me. These people do so much harm to a beautiful religion. Dobson and Robertson and a few others remind me of Nazis, they are so judgemental and supercilious. We go after bad CEO's in other forms of business, why do we allow the Dobsonians to reign?

 

[pdoel]

A phobia is an an "exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation". Allowing your phobia to control your reaction to a group of people (in this case Christians) leads to disastrous consequences. If Revelations is to be believed, it will eventually for Christians.

Since this past election, we've heard all kinds of comments about Christians having rights taken away, Christians claiming that people are trying to force their views on them, etc.

I just don't see it. I'm a Christian, but I don't understand where this is all coming from. From this past election, we learned that Christians are completely against gay rights. Christians also use their religion to determine what they will and will not vote for.

So, if anything, the Christians are forcing their views on others. Not the other way around.

Being upset that other Christians aren't as loving as they're supposed to be, and constantly judge people that are different, isn't a phobia. It's an annoyance.

But prosecuting homosexuals, voting against equal rights, tieing a young kid to a fence post and beating him to death, to me, that's a phobia.

It's just a shame that some Christians can't see that.

And since you brought up the Holocaust, I thought I'd remind you of this:

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Maybe if the Christians were truly following the word of Christ, and loved their neighbor, and supported all their brothers, maybe they shouldn't be so worried about someone coming for them.

 

[retrorich]

Since this past election, we've heard all kinds of comments about Christians having rights taken away, Christians claiming that people are trying to force their views on them, etc.

I just don't see it. I'm a Christian, but I don't understand where this is all coming from. From this past election, we learned that Christians are completely against gay rights. Christians also use their religion to determine what they will and will not vote for.

So, if anything, the Christians are forcing their views on others. Not the other way around.

Being upset that other Christians aren't as loving as they're supposed to be, and constantly judge people that are different, isn't a phobia. It's an annoyance.

But prosecuting homosexuals, voting against equal rights, tieing a young kid to a fence post and beating him to death, to me, that's a phobia.

It's just a shame that some Christians can't see that.

And since you brought up the Holocaust, I thought I'd remind you of this:


Maybe if the Christians were truly following the word of Christ, and loved their neighbor, and supported all their brothers, maybe they shouldn't be so worried about someone coming for them.

Outstanding post, pdoel! Frubals to you.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Maybe if the Christians were truly following the word of Christ, and loved their neighbor, and supported all their brothers, maybe they shouldn't be so worried about someone coming for them.

Since you include all Christians in this, and you yourself profess to be one, when are you going to get started following the word of Christ, loving your neighbor, supporting your brothers (and sisters, I hope) and stop worrying? No brush is as broad as the one used to paint "Christians"... even by some who claim the faith. Are we all hateful, judgmental, homophobic, bigoted and abusive? No, but we all get lumped in together with those that are. Please show me one religion that does not have hypocrites trying to glom onto it. Just one.

Linwood, just recently here in Orange County Florida, it was decided that a school would not let a Bible Study run by students and for students to meet after school on school property. It is one thing to not sanction any religion, but a completely different thing to ban religion from the premeses.

There was a memo that was circulated two years ago by the Seminole County School district to remove any and all religious posters, icons and other paraphanalia from all offices and classrooms county wide. Again, that's not mere seperation, but a total banishment.

 

[Green Gaia]

There was a memo that was circulated two years ago by the Seminole County School district to remove any and all religious posters, icons and other paraphanalia from all offices and classrooms county wide. Again, that's not mere seperation, but a total banishment.

But that's not singling out Christianity, my friend, all religions are banished.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Banishment of religion is unconstitutional... or at least it used to be.

 

[hoomer]

Yes. However, these persecutions were more systematic and total than any before in history, so I think that more than offsets the impact of the numbers.

Now, I ask you, why do you feel the need to downplay the persecution of Christians in the modern era?

Why? well one I dont have any burnind NEED......

but

wel again...christianity has BLOOD ON ITS HANDS......its a bit ike a child crying for mom after its stabbed itself......

Christianity is the number 1 world reigion ...as numbers go...yes?.....
as a result...well as no 1 its an EASY target...so really why such concern.....I am a white person by skin color...I dont get upset everytime some one insuts white people......the same goes for my judaism.....of which I am one by birth.......

I think the whole "christians are persecuted" is just childish ...I can honestly see a chid in the corner crying.....

I beleive in Christ......but in what a christian woud deem a HERETICAL nature......

I ask you this......IF you're faith in God is truy strong....how can ANY slings and arrows thrown AT YOU...affect you...in any way?.........I think too many seek to justify themseves to others.....in the end...we need to justify ourseves...to ourseves.....and no one else...apart from "God" maybe..........

no offense meant...I just think this whole subject is chilldish:bonk:

the height of knowledge is to know nothing ----frater crc

 

[retrorich]

Linwood, just recently here in Orange County Florida, it was decided that a school would not let a Bible Study run by students and for students to meet after school on school property. It is one thing to not sanction any religion, but a completely different thing to ban religion from the premeses.

There was a memo that was circulated two years ago by the Seminole County School district to remove any and all religious posters, icons and other paraphanalia from all offices and classrooms county wide. Again, that's not mere seperation, but a total banishment.

If the schools involved are tax supported, Bible classes and religious posters/icons don't belong there. That's what churches are for.

 

[hoomer]

I think the basic concepts of Christianity are beautiful, i.e. love for your fellow man, forgiveness, pulling back your projections. Unfortunately, we get ministers and followers who use Christianity as a means of power to get what they want. People like Dobson scare me. He forces his beliefs on others and uses the media to boycott, etc. Pat Robertson wanting to become president scared me. These people do so much harm to a beautiful religion. Dobson and Robertson and a few others remind me of Nazis, they are so judgemental and supercilious. We go after bad CEO's in other forms of business, why do we allow the Dobsonians to reign?

indeed light.....

 

[hoomer]

Maybe if the Christians were truly following the word of Christ, and loved their neighbor, and supported all their brothers, maybe they shouldn't be so worried about someone coming for them.

my pint exacty....fruballs to you.....whatever that is,.....gmta

 

[Green Gaia]

Here is an offshoot of this thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10532 for those who would like to explain why they think it's OK to justify hatred of Christianity.

 

[Scorn]

no offense meant...I just think this whole subject is chilldish:bonk:

Yes Hoomer, But isn't it possible that there is a large population of Christians who would like nothing more than to change the tide of the past (not forget it mind you) but to actually follow Christ in his teachings and better the world for it? Is it also not ethically wrong to condemn the children for the sins of the father? I'm just asking how lobbing the slings and arrows at everyone serves any higher purpose, regardless of how secure one supposedly feels in their faith. It's one thing to recall the history and never forget. It's quite another to use it as global justification for promoting dislike for an entire group.

 

[No*s]

Why? well one I dont have any burnind NEED......

but

wel again...christianity has BLOOD ON ITS HANDS......its a bit ike a child crying for mom after its stabbed itself......

Christianity is the number 1 world reigion ...as numbers go...yes?.....
as a result...well as no 1 its an EASY target...so really why such concern.....I am a white person by skin color...I dont get upset everytime some one insuts white people......the same goes for my judaism.....of which I am one by birth.......

I think the whole "christians are persecuted" is just childish ...I can honestly see a chid in the corner crying.....

I beleive in Christ......but in what a christian woud deem a HERETICAL nature......

I ask you this......IF you're faith in God is truy strong....how can ANY slings and arrows thrown AT YOU...affect you...in any way?.........I think too many seek to justify themseves to others.....in the end...we need to justify ourseves...to ourseves.....and no one else...apart from "God" maybe..........

no offense meant...I just think this whole subject is chilldish:bonk:

the height of knowledge is to know nothing ----frater crc

Thank you for at least being honest. I said I wouldn't post here again, and this will be my last response, but frankly, I am saddened that you justify hatred by saying we have "blood on our hands." How much more will be on yours now? I think it is sad, and childish, to ever say the concern or outrage over the slaughter of human beings is childish. I've seen estimates on the number killed in the 20th century ranging from eighty or ninety million to well over a hundred million. We don't know.

If I take the 90 million over the twentieth century (a low estimate), then we get 1.2% of the world's population as it stood at the end of the twentieth century. Frankly, it is sentiments like yours that allow this to continue in other parts of the world like China, Egypt, and so on.

Maybe you should explain how you justify the your justification of hate here:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10532

It's pretty easy to say "because they did this to me," but it's a lot harder to justify the emotion of hate in itself, which is what I think I'm seeing. In no case is it ever justifiable to call concern or outrage for the murder of human beings "childish" or "silly." That is something I know, so I'm not at your heights of knowledge, but frankly, I don't want to be.

 

[michel]

Here is an offshoot of this thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10532 for those who would like to explain why they think it's OK to justify hatred of Christianity.

I think I'll pass on that, Maize; I don't think I want to read about the justification of any sort of hatred.

 

[retrorich]

Here is an offshoot of this thread: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10532 for those who would like to explain why they think it's OK to justify hatred of Christianity.

I don't hate Christianity or any other religion. I just don't like them being promoted by the government and tax-supported schools.

 

[pdoel]

Since you include all Christians in this, and you yourself profess to be one, when are you going to get started following the word of Christ, loving your neighbor, supporting your brothers (and sisters, I hope) and stop worrying?

I do all those things. I started that a long time ago. Been a Christian a long time, and done my very best to live a good Christian life. Doesn't mean I don't have worries. That's just human nature. I think even the biggest Christian figures in history had fears, doubts, etc.

Linwood, just recently here in Orange County Florida, it was decided that a school would not let a Bible Study run by students and for students to meet after school on school property. It is one thing to not sanction any religion, but a completely different thing to ban religion from the premeses.

Well, personally, I don't think religion belongs in school. Children go to school to learn, not to pray. That's what Churches are for. I wouldn't send my children to Sunday School to learn Algebra. There's a time and a place for everything (Hey, doesn't the Bible even say that???)

Let's think back to what it was like when schools did allow a moment of silence, school prayer, etc. I remember the few students we had that were Jehovah's Witnesses, having to just sit there everyone while everyone else stood up, did their silent prayer, recited the Pledge of Allegiance, etc.

And guess who stared, pointed, giggled, etc., at the Jehovah's Witnesses. The Christian children.

Maybe that's why many felt it was better to take religion out of the schools.