Christians and Jews Who Sanction Homosexual Sex

[SomeRandom]

Good grief. My argument is that homosexuality produces more costs than benefits and is based on claims like the following (which you have yet to counter):

Umm, you are aware that all of your statistics specifically say males who have sex with males for a reason, right?
Because it's not actually verifiable that all said males are necessarily gay or even bi. Sex workers, desperate sex acts to get drugs, rape etc are also factors.
And so what? You could just as easily argue that disabled people are more of a drain on resources, than they are of "benefit" to society. That doesn't mean we should condemn them or shun them or whatever, same goes for the sick. That could be quite easily construed as a tad reprehensible.
But humans are not ants or whatever, who simply live to breed. Not having a portion of the population breed is actually a legitimate survival strategy we see occurring in many social species.

And FYI in countries that are actually the most affected by HIV/AIDS (which by the way is not actually America, no matter how often some Americans think they are the center of the damn universe) it's most often spread by heterosexual sex acts and/or heterosexual sexual violence involving young girls.
And in such countries many children are also infected through pregnancy. Not the most homosexual act I can think of but whatever.

UNICEF Eastern and Southern Africa - HIV and AIDS - Overview

 

[1robin]

They go hand in hand. You still haven’t shown that there are any definitively homosexual behaviors.

The distinction is irrelevant to my claims. It does not matter what behaviors they have in common the costs of them given homosexuality is just too high. Why are you trying so hard to defend death and misery? Its the same thing done in the case of abortion. It is bizarre to witness.

Every sexual act they engage in is also engaged in by heterosexuals. There are only sex acts. And now, thank God! homosexuals can engage in them in biblically-sanctioned marriage relationships.

I do not get what your trying to do by pointing out homosexuals and heterosexual do the same things. It is obvious that when homosexuals do them the costs is far higher. Its like you think justifying millions of deaths is a virtue. By the way I condemn a lot of these acts they share as well.

I am trying to prevent the millions of deaths and billions in medical bills and your defending them. I just don't get the mindset. Bizarre.

 

[1robin]

Right. You’re gonna pick up your marbles and go home.

No I am going to run out of time and when I do I will be forced to cull my nuts and edit things for length. That is the fact of the matter. You can virtue signal all you want, won't change that fact.

 

[1robin]

You implied that your position is right, by virtue of most people agreeing with you. It is an argument from popularity. Deal with it.

I most certainly did not, I am very well aware of what a population fallacy is. Deal with it.

 

[1robin]

Nope. You’re not going to misdirect by claiming I don’t know what’s going on.

This require no reply.

 

[Subduction Zone]

A couple of points fo

The distinction is irrelevant to my claims. It does not matter what behaviors they have in common the costs of them given homosexuality is just too high. Why are you trying so hard to defend death and misery? Its the same thing done in the case of abortion. It is bizarre to witness.

I do not get what your trying to do by pointing out homosexuals and heterosexual do the same things. It is obvious that when homosexuals do them the costs is far higher. Its like you think justifying millions of deaths is a virtue. By the way I condemn a lot of these acts they share as well.

I am trying to prevent the millions of deaths and billions in medical bills and your defending them. I just don't get the mindset. Bizarre.

It does not appear that you are trying to prevent deaths in any way.

King Canute did not take himself seriously when he ordered the tide to stop coming in. You on the other hand don't see the huge flaw in your reasoning.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I most certainly did not, I am very well aware of what a population fallacy is. Deal with it.

Then perhaps you should know the proper terminology.

 

[1robin]

Please, when you don't know what you are talking about you should never tell the other person to keep up. By the way, I am not the only one that noted that error of yours.

I committed no population fallacy, the end.

And like so many of the so called rabbit holes that you complain of you do not seem to understand your error yet.

Edited for length, not on topic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This require no reply.

And yet you did

 

[1robin]

It appears that in your own words that you cannot "keep up".

Edited for length, not on topic.

Now you are all but admitting that you misunderstood sojourner's post.

Nope.

 

[1robin]

You are making an unreasonable demand. And there probably are such animals. I will see if I can find an example.

I didn't demand anything at all. I simply pointed out the fact you can't possibly know what you claimed even if it was true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I committed no population fallacy, the end.



Edited for length, not on topic.

Denying the obvious won't make it go away.

And instead of wasting time responding to corrections you should simply change your behavior.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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Nope.

Once again don't complain about not having time and posting falsehoods about others. And if something is not on topic then why did you start the detour?

 

[1robin]

Yes, but the Bible is hardly a source for moral behavior .

It is the entity most associated with moral behavior than any other in human history.

And for your second claim you have demonstrated your inability to properly make a judgment on the benefits.

For the third time it was a list posted by a pro gay poster. Any fault it might have is their fault. I bet you never even looked it up.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't demand anything at all. I simply pointed out the fact you can't possibly know what you claimed even if it was true.

Actually I showed that you were wrong with a link. How did you miss it?

 

[sojourner]

Sorry it is your burden not mine. Come off it there are mountain of just the early church fathers alone to read

Oh, waaah! Like I didn’t have a mountain of stuff to read in grad school and beyond. Play dumb if you like. I’m not going to google something you can do yourself.

The only differences seem to be superficial. Where is the gay gene? Stop asking me to dig up the info you are suppose to provide

Superficial is still a difference.

Quote anything I said where I said homosexuals are less human than anyone else. Quit playing identity politics

You condemn some (as yet fabled) “activity.” You have not, as yet, identified that there are any acts that homosexuals engage in exclusively. Therefore, we must assume that there are only “sex acts.” And when you wish to curtail an identified group from playing freely, like everyone else, through judgment, condemnation, prejudice, coercion, or any other form of bullying, you imply that they are less human. Yes. This is identity politics, because you have differentiated between sex acts that an identified group participates exclusively in. No matter how you wish to hide behind statistics (which have been shown to be skewed), or some contrived religious righteousness, claiming that the Bible says things it does not say, you are differentiating between groups and campaigning to not let certain people play. And that’s wrong.

You have no idea what so ever what I do sexually. Why do you constantly refer to things you can't prove or don't know? I am dealing with it just as fast as I can type

This isn’t about what you do in the bedroom. It’s about how and why you’re disparaging others for what they do in the bedroom. Don’t misdirect; it won’t work. You are complicit in systemic violence against the homosexual community through sticking your nose into their sexual business. And I have a problem with that, as a member of the clergy, as an spadvocate for social justice, and as a speaker for equity within the human family.

I believe it covers the entire orientation but I was fine with your claiming it only concerns acts. I do not see the relevance of the distinction. My argument concerns the act

If you don’t see the connection, you need to study the issue some more.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is the entity most associated with moral behavior than any other in human history.

Only if you mean bad moral behavior.

For the third time it was a list posted by a pro gay poster. Any fault it might have is their fault. I bet you never even looked it up.

That does not change the fact that you cannot properly evaluate the positive aspects of homosexuality. In fact I mentioned one that you could not respond to that eliminated the monetary factor altogether.

 

[1robin]

Perhaps you should slow down a bit and quit changing your claims when shown to be wrong.

I didn't do so but I can't slow down. You alone have responded to me 19 times in just the last 4 hours. How is it you have so much time available to debate? Don't you have to work? Why don't you quit responding to post I made to others?

 

[sojourner]

Again this is something you can't possibly know. The bible could easily have been dictated through the holy spirit. You have no way of knowing that isn't the case. Why do you keep making these claims to what you can't know

You’re trying to play games. It won’t work. You’ve tried this ploy before. In case you are ignorant of the fact, the default position is what we can prove. We can prove that human beings wrote the texts. We can prove that human beings are fallible. We can prove there are mistakes in the Bible. There is 0 empirical proof for God, the Holy Spirit, or “divine revelation.” Where the welfare and fair treatment of human beings are concerned, we must embrace what can be proven, not what individuals “believe,” because beliefs can be abused to mean anything.
Your belief is not the default condition. You must prove that there is a Holy Spirit and that such was involved in the writing. Until that happens, God. Said. Nothing.

Moral revelations do change. Let me lay this out again

Don’t please. It’s redundant, because it’s faith-based, not quantifiable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't do so but I can't slow down. You alone have responded to me 19 times in just the last 4 hours. How is it you have so much time available to debate? Don't you have to work? Why don't you quit responding to post I made to others?

I can multi-task. And I have only responded to the most egregious errors .