Christians and Jews Who Sanction Homosexual Sex

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I didn't interpret them at all, I simply posted them and quoted almost word for word from them.

to support your flawed conclusions, yes. This is called "quote mining".

I also didn't say they were internal. However aids works the same in Africa as it does here.

Then please explain why it predominantly effects heterosexuals, and has much greater rates of infection in SubSaharan Africa, if it "works the same in Africa as it does here"?

 

[1robin]

You are kidding, right? Seriously? Sexual orientation is NOT a choice. I do believe that I asked you previously when, exactly, YOU "chose" to be heterosexual and to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex. I don't think that you ever responded to that, did you?

I explained that I was out of time and don't like this debate. However I will respond to this post for the heck of it.

Even if we get oriented before we are born you wouldn't know it. It is unknowable. We are not discussing what we each remember being attracted to. The issue is how you can know that we get oriented before birth. Why is that even relevant?

I do agree that being old is not a choice, but very often people make very bad decisions as far as what they eat, drink or do, which can, and does, make them sick. Many health conditions are based on a choice, but you don't seem to have a problem with people who choose to abuse themselves, become sick, and then are a burden to society. Why is that?

And our bad decisions are rightly condemned. You might want to walk this line of reasoning back. Why shouldn't we have television adds against being gay the way we do against getting fat? However I condemn gluttony as well. At least I am consistent. Why are you for one destructive thing but not another?

 

[Skwim]

God didn't hate Gay sex any more than he hated shellfish.

Obviously he really hated shellfish.

Never mind......... keep rolling..... what do you wanna ask?

Nothing at all.

Because, Skwim, they're moving forward, progressing...
Now I would have thought that you would have positively praised such movements. Can anything in any religion please you?

It's not about pleasing me.

Are you supporting them, or knocking them, Skwim?

Oh, I support anything that gives minorities equal rights, and knocking them for their hypocrisy.

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[1robin]

You don't have to "catch up". Merely make every post worthwhile. Once again change your behavior instead of making petty responses. And see if you can learn from what has been presented for you.

I give up on catching up, you and sojourner have way more free time than I do. So I am going to just respond when I am on a break.

Earlier to day you demanded proof that animals can be gay. I provided that. You wanted to see the "Gay Gene" I provided an article on that as well. It is funny how you have time for petty remarks but ignore the evidence presented that shows that you are wrong.

I don't remember you posting any example of gay animals. Respond to this specific post with that evidence because I didn't see it.

 

[1robin]

AIDS is not a "homosexual disease." It can be caught in many ways and by heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. Even the practice of eating "bush meat" can cause a person to become infected.

I never said it was. I said the majority of aids cases are created by the majority that are gay.

 

[1robin]

I think that you have posted this same statement way more than 41 times. Perhaps you should try limiting your responses rather than whining about how many you've gotten?

Not even close. 35 of them were from the same two people. Perhaps others should not respond to each of my posts by creating 2 of their own.

 

[sojourner]

If you can't or won't back up your own claims I will dismiss them. If your not going to back up your claims why make them to begin with

Why would you need to back up the claim that the sky appears blue? Why would you need to back up the claim that water is wet? This is common knowledge.

But a distinction that makes an irrelevant difference

Differences matter. This is the same sort of insidious stuff that causes violence masquerading as genteel society.

There must be some very significant differences between what heterosexuals and homosexuals do because one comes with a vastly higher penalty than the other. If everything is equal why did the CDC draw the distinctions they did.

You need to look at worldwide data. If you’re going to blame an act, you need to point out what, specifically the act is. You have failed in this task.

I am condemning a behavior not a person

Just like “sit in the back of the bus” and “Don’t use my restroom” were against actions, and not people...

We are discussing a secular argument against an act. Biblical exegesis is irrelevant

Fine. You still can’t condemn an act of self expression for some, while granting the same act to others. To do so is systemic violence.

 

[sojourner]

I have gotten 41 responses so far just today. I am going to have to be brief to have any hope of catching up.

I don't think you got what I said or your just making one big joke or something.

Deflection.

 

[sojourner]

I have gotten 41 responses so far just today. I am going to have to be brief to have any hope of catching up.

Quote where I stated that anything was true because it was popular. Is this going to be yet another thing you refuse to backup?

S. Z. Said:
“When Christians do this by themselves they tend to form highly prejudicial beliefs that are not shared with anyone. In other words it is a case of every other Christian being wrong or you.”
You replied:
“Most humans throughout human history have agreed with me concerning texts so as usual your using flawed conclusions.”

 

[sojourner]

Identity politics

No, it’s social justice.

I have said twice that I am typing as fast as possible and use terms indiscriminately.

You need to be precise. other2ise, your argument gets lost.

Look I am tired of this virtual signaling and am really sick of this "dehumanizing" rant your own.

Of course you are, because you know I’m right. You have to keep dancing around that issue in order to appear genteel. That’s what’s tiring.

Not a single human is harmed by anything I have said and I resent claims otherwise.

Here’s where you’re grossly mistaken. Every time a minority group is denied the same things as the majority, every time they are called out as fundamentally “different” in some way that can only be explained by false “facts,” people are harmed. Words matter. Voices matter. Opinions matter.

Either get your comments out of the gutter or this discussion will end soon.

Get your comments out of the gutter, and I won’t have to go there to refute you.

 

[sojourner]

I have soured on our discussion. Your rants are far too emotionally charged for me and I have had all the virtue signaling I can take for now. For the time being consider our discussion terminated. Perhaps I will talk with you on another topic.

In other words, “I’m picking up my marbles and going home.” Just admit you’re wrong, and it’ll all be over!

 

[sojourner]

being old or sick is not a choice, homosexuality is.

There’s the culprit, right there. There’s the dehumanization: the dismissal of one’s sexual identity as something one could choose to “do differently.” Did you choose to be heterosexual? When did you make that choice? Did you actually wake up one morning and say, “I’m going to be sexually attracted to girls, rather than boys?”

 

[columbus]

I never said it was. I said the majority of aids cases are created by the minority that are gay.

<I believe I edited your statement accurately, correct me if I am wrong.>

This has been demonstrated, over and over, to be false. Flat out demonstrably wrong, and you simply ignore that fact.
The CDC statistics are accurate, but you insist on misinterpreting them. You are so determined to be right that you refuse to see the facts.

Since I know little else about you, I assume that it's because you are a Christian who has been taught to ignore facts when they contradict your belief system.

You've consistently ignored facts like:
Gay women are at the bottom of the risk pool for HIV.

The vast majority of HIV victims are heterosexuals.

HIV is not "created" by homosex, it's caused by a virus. HIV was created by either evolution in an uncaring universe or Almighty God the Creator, depending on your opinion about such things.

But HIV is not caused by homosex and you are just plain wrong when you imply that correlation is causation. This is made blatantly obvious by your refusing to address the facts of the matter and repeating your irrational conclusions over and over.
Tom

 

[RedhorseWoman]

I didn't interpret them at all, I simply posted them and quoted almost word for word from them. I also didn't say they were internal. However aids works the same in Africa as it does here.

Yes, AIDS does work the same in Africa as it does here, and both here and in Africa, it is NOT a "homosexual" disease. It is present in heterosexuals, homosexuals, drug abusers, people who consume bush meat, babies born from an infected mother and others who come in contact with the virus in various ways. Probably the least affected group anywhere would be lesbians, who are-SURPRISE!--homosexuals.

 

[RedhorseWoman]

There’s the culprit, right there. There’s the dehumanization: the dismissal of one’s sexual identity as something one could choose to “do differently.” Did you choose to be heterosexual? When did you make that choice? Did you actually wake up one morning and say, “I’m going to be sexually attracted to girls, rather than boys?”

I have asked this same question of 1robin several times. In fact, I have asked this same question of a number of people who spout the "homosexuality is a sin and a choice and a lifestyle" rhetoric, but for some reason, none of these people ever answer it. Could it be that they know that sexual orientation is NOT a "choice" or a "lifestyle" but that it is something that is inborn that a person cannot change?

 

[RedhorseWoman]

I explained that I was out of time and don't like this debate. However I will respond to this post for the heck of it.

Even if we get oriented before we are born you wouldn't know it. It is unknowable. We are not discussing what we each remember being attracted to. The issue is how you can know that we get oriented before birth. Why is that even relevant?

And our bad decisions are rightly condemned. You might want to walk this line of reasoning back. Why shouldn't we have television adds against being gay the way we do against getting fat? However I condemn gluttony as well. At least I am consistent. Why are you for one destructive thing but not another?

Homosexuality is not a "destructive" thing. Smoking, excessive alcohol consumption, consuming crap food, choosing to be a couch potato are all choices. Sexual orientation is NOT a choice. You are far from "consistent." In fact, until I pointed it out to you, you were defending those who were sick (both those who made bad choices that got them sick and those who simply had the bad luck to contract an illness that was not due to anything they chose to do or not do) and saying that the financial burden of those who chose to abuse themselves didn't matter.

Perhaps you are the one who should "walk back" your line of thinking? I hesitate to call it reasoning, since it's quite obvious that you have not reasoned on anything whatsoever. You simply hate homosexuality and refuse to consider anything but what you want to believe.

Let's discuss your question about knowing that we get our sexual orientation before birth, shall we? You have been asked multiple times to inform us as to exactly when YOU made the "choice" to be heterosexual and be attracted to members of the opposite sex. You have refused to answer. Why? Could it be that you know for a fact that you never had to choose? Could it be that you simply were attracted to members of the opposite sex and never gave a thought to being physically, sexually or emotionally attracted to someone of the same sex?

If heterosexuals don't have to make a conscious choice about their sexuality why do you state that homosexuals "choose" to be gay? This reminds me of a conversation I had some time ago with a gay friend. She lived in Kansas at the time and had tried the "marriage cure," which, not surprisingly, did not work. She said to me, through tears, "If homosexuality was a choice, I would NEVER choose a sexual orientation that would cause me to be hated and one that would make me fear for my life. If I had a choice, I would definitely choose to be heterosexual, but I can't."

Perhaps you should try to walk a mile in someone else's shoes. Think about how it would be to be hated simply for loving the "wrong" person. Think about how it would be to be afraid that someone might kill you simply because you held hands with or kissed someone you love because those murderers believed as you do that homosexuals should be "eliminated" and that "God hates them."

 

[sojourner]

I have asked this same question of 1robin several times. In fact, I have asked this same question of a number of people who spout the "homosexuality is a sin and a choice and a lifestyle" rhetoric, but for some reason, none of these people ever answer it. Could it be that they know that sexual orientation is NOT a "choice" or a "lifestyle" but that it is something that is inborn that a person cannot change?

They assume heterosexuality is the “default.” It isn’t. Moreover, we’re discoveting that it’s not really a black or white thing — it’s more of a continuum. If there’s no straight gene, why would there be a gay gene?

 

[RedhorseWoman]

They assume heterosexuality is the “default.” It isn’t. Moreover, we’re discoveting that it’s not really a black or white thing — it’s more of a continuum. If there’s no straight gene, why would there be a gay gene?

Exactly. In fact, there are very few who are either 100% straight or 100% gay. There is a very large gray area where sexuality is concerned.

 

[1robin]

Why would you need to back up the claim that the sky appears blue? Why would you need to back up the claim that water is wet? This is common knowledge.


Differences matter. This is the same sort of insidious stuff that causes violence masquerading as genteel society.


You need to look at worldwide data. If you’re going to blame an act, you need to point out what, specifically the act is. You have failed in this task.


Just like “sit in the back of the bus” and “Don’t use my restroom” were against actions, and not people...


Fine. You still can’t condemn an act of self expression for some, while granting the same act to others. To do so is systemic violence.

As stated already I think our discussion needs to come to an end at least for the moment. I have never done anything what so ever to a homosexual nor have I called for anyone else to contend with a homosexual. I am condemning a behavior not a person. So telling me I am evil just isn't going to fly. Your far too emotional, take a nap or something then get back to me.

 

[1robin]

to support your flawed conclusions, yes. This is called "quote mining".
Then please explain why it predominantly effects heterosexuals, and has much greater rates of infection in SubSaharan Africa, if it "works the same in Africa as it does here"?

I posted what the CDC claimed concerning aids. I didn't interpret what they said I just stated it. Are you going to address what they said or not?