Christians and Jews Who Sanction Homosexual Sex

[1robin]

If you respond make it worthwhile. Complaining does no good at all.

look, your either going to have to be brief or I will have to end our discussions. Calling that fact a complaint helps nothing.

 

[1robin]

You "blew up" the post in your response. I merely answered in kind. All you have done now is admit defeat again.

Color commentary.

Keep your posts short and to the point and others will respond in kind.

You don't. On average you respond to 2 posts for every one I post. You keep having word fits which take up all my time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can believe anything that makes you feel better about your motivation but that changes nothing about what I said. I said you respond to my posts by creating 2 - 3 posts. I have too little time to sufficiently debate as many people as I am and your more responsible for this (no matter what the reason) than anyone else. Am I the only one you debate?

No, I only respond to each post once at the most. If you can't stand the heat . . .

I condemned a behavior I didn't say anything what so ever about doing anything about it. I give out information, I do not create laws of demand anything of anyone. You can't condemn me for things I didn't do.

And you can't separate the two. At least not in the sense that you want to. Ask @Evangelicalhumanist if you want an opinion from the source.

What the heck? I have no idea what your talking about. I said Africa is a land mass (composed of dirt) not a living breathing entity with a mind. That is an absolute fact. The continent of Africa can't dictate anything to me. You just do not seem to be able to track what I say. I spend all my time trying to clarify your mistakes. Your taking all of my time up.

Please, try to stay in context. If you need to you can go back and see where you went off the rails. The problem is that I am not the one making all of the mistakes here. Quit making so many and there will be no need for my posts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

look, your either going to have to be brief or I will have to end our discussions. Calling that fact a complaint helps nothing.

And yet your pointless complaint is longer than my short correction

 

[Subduction Zone]

look, your either going to have to be brief or I will have to end our discussions. Calling that fact a complaint helps nothing.

You need to learn what a fact is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Color commentary.

You don't. On average you respond to 2 posts for every one I post. You keep having word fits which take up all my time.

Another complaining post that at least starts with an admission that you were wrong.

Thank you.

 

[sojourner]

I am not doing the belligerent identity politics thing with you. I said I was bringing our discussion to a close so you post 3 more responses. The only thing that explains this is your emotional bias. You are far too emotional at the moment to be rational so I don't want to debate you at present. In this context I am not in any group and am not complicit in any imaginary plots against homosexuals. I have two simplistic arguments that are untouchable. That's it. Your the one that is demanding that we accept the cost of 60% of new aids cases (among countless similar costs), I am the one condemning their cause. you can't virtue signal this into something it isn't. Yell "dehumanization" (which is absurd) at traffic isn't helping anything and does not apply to me or the vast majority.

This has nothing to do either identity politics or virtue signaling. I am free to respond/post as I see fit within the bounds of forum rules, whether you like it or not. What explains this is my commitment to my call as a social justice minister. I’m committed to calling out the violence wherever I see it.

In this context, you are part of a group. It’s a group of Evangelical Christians, and also a group of heterosexuals. Unless you’re being disingenuous about your religious affiliation. I know how the Baptists feel about homosexuality, as a general rule.

Your arguments are fallacious, because your “cost analysis” is bogus, as has been pointed out several times.

What I’m demanding is equal treatment of a minority, and for the dehumanizing rhetoric against it to stop. This sort of rhetoric is rampant among conservative Christians, it is real, it is systemic, it is violence, and you are complicit in it by virtue of propagating that rhetoric here. Your belief does not change the reality of the nature of the words and actions.

 

[sojourner]

You couldn't possibly know this even if it was true. Not could anyone else at least so far. Find me some homosexual DNA markers. I have read a bit on homosexuality and scholars come down on both sides of the nature verses nurture debate.

Find me some heterosexual DNA markers, and we will talk. For the record, when did you “decide” to become heterosexual?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

My argument is simple. The unbelievable costs of homosexuality can't possibly be justified by its benefits. It costs millions of lives and billions of dollars and it does not produce life or money. The CDC data simply supports this. That is why I posted it. You need to show that the data I posted does not apply to my argument. I can post stats like that all day but until someone counter the data I already posted I am not justified in posting more.

Your claim that the CDC data supports your earlier claim is the interpretation we were talking about. Your interpretation remains flawed, as discussed.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I am not doing the belligerent identity politics thing with you. I said I was bringing our discussion to a close so you post 3 more responses. The only thing that explains this is your emotional bias. You are far too emotional at the moment to be rational so I don't want to debate you at present. In this context I am not in any group and am not complicit in any imaginary plots against homosexuals. I have two simplistic arguments that are untouchable. That's it. Your the one that is demanding that we accept the cost of 60% of new aids cases (among countless similar costs), I am the one condemning their cause. you can't virtue signal this into something it isn't. Yell "dehumanization" (which is absurd) at traffic isn't helping anything and does not apply to me or the vast majority.

Homosexuality does not CAUSE AIDS. AIDS is CAUSED by HIV. HIV is TRANSMITTED by blood transmission, of which UNPROTECTED homosexual activity is ONE transmission route. Now, if you wanted to condem unprotected homosexual activity as immoral on those grounds, you'd at least have a case. More appropriate still would be condemning the reasons people may engage in such activity. But your wholesale condemnation of ALL homosexuals across the board is not logical.

I also rather suspect you're conflating "60% of new AIDS cases" with "60% of all homosexuals", if only subconsciously. A common enough mistake for people not familiar with statistics, however an utterly misleading one.

Further, your double standard re:homosexual health costs vs. health costs associated with any other population remains glaring.

 

[columbus]

Homosexuality costs lives, produces misery,

Homophobia costs lives, produces misery. That homosexuals are the target of bigotry doesn't mean that homosexuality is the cause of the dysfunction.
Any more than black people being the target of racism means that African ethnicity is the cause of dysfunction in the black community.
Tom

 

[1robin]

No, I only respond to each post once at the most. If you can't stand the heat . . .

No, you respond to my posts with more than one response each. You are the most prolific poster I have ever seen.

And you can't separate the two. At least not in the sense that you want to. Ask @Evangelicalhumanist if you want an opinion from the source.

The post you refer to has not brought up the behavior verses orientation issue.

Please, try to stay in context. If you need to you can go back and see where you went off the rails. The problem is that I am not the one making all of the mistakes here. Quit making so many and there will be no need for my posts.

I never said your the only one that has been mistaken but you seldom post on topic and I have to spend most of the time trying to get you back on topic.

 

[columbus]

A common enough mistake for people not familiar with statistics, however an utterly misleading one.

At one point, he said he had a degree in statistics.
His inability to grasp the difference between correlation and causation makes me uncertain what to believe. After all, there are Christian YEC with degrees in biology.
Tom

 

[1robin]

And yet your pointless complaint is longer than my short correction

Yes, I am spending quite a bit of time trying to get you to be more concise. I can either spend 80% of my time dealing with you alone, stop talking with you at all, or try and get you to be more concise. Trying to be nice I shoes the later lately. If I can't get you to be more brief I will have to choose the middle option.

 

[1robin]

You need to learn what a fact is.

See, there was no point to your post. Your just having rod fits. You are not going to change my mind. Either be more concise or I will have to end our discussion. I think I have been saying this for the past 3 days.

 

[1robin]

Another complaining post that at least starts with an admission that you were wrong.

Thank you.

Color commentary.

 

[1robin]

This has nothing to do either identity politics or virtue signaling. I am free to respond/post as I see fit within the bounds of forum rules, whether you like it or not. What explains this is my commitment to my call as a social justice minister. I’m committed to calling out the violence wherever I see it.

In this context, you are part of a group. It’s a group of Evangelical Christians, and also a group of heterosexuals. Unless you’re being disingenuous about your religious affiliation. I know how the Baptists feel about homosexuality, as a general rule.

Your arguments are fallacious, because your “cost analysis” is bogus, as has been pointed out several times.

What I’m demanding is equal treatment of a minority, and for the dehumanizing rhetoric against it to stop. This sort of rhetoric is rampant among conservative Christians, it is real, it is systemic, it is violence, and you are complicit in it by virtue of propagating that rhetoric here. Your belief does not change the reality of the nature of the words and actions.

I keep trying to politely end our discussion for now but you won't let me. How do I turn this thing off. Take a few days off to regain your emotional equilibrium then get back to me.

 

[1robin]

Your claim that the CDC data supports your earlier claim is the interpretation we were talking about. Your interpretation remains flawed, as discussed.

Their was no interpretation. In fact at least twice I posted the entire CDC article. It requires no interpretation. The CDC linked homosexuality with new aids cases, I linked homosexuality with new aids cases.

 

[1robin]

Homosexuality does not CAUSE AIDS. AIDS is CAUSED by HIV. HIV is TRANSMITTED by blood transmission, of which UNPROTECTED homosexual activity is ONE transmission route. Now, if you wanted to condem unprotected homosexual activity as immoral on those grounds, you'd at least have a case. More appropriate still would be condemning the reasons people may engage in such activity. But your wholesale condemnation of ALL homosexuals across the board is not logical.

You could probably publish an entire book on the process but the CDC knows more about the subject that we do combined. They linked the two I linked the two.

I also rather suspect you're conflating "60% of new AIDS cases" with "60% of all homosexuals", if only subconsciously. A common enough mistake for people not familiar with statistics, however an utterly misleading one.

Yes. it was actually greater than 60%. I posted the exact numbers they aren't debatable.

Further, your double standard re:homosexual health costs vs. health costs associated with any other population remains glaring.

What double standard? Heterosexuality costs lives, it creates lives. Homosexuality costs lives and does not create lives. Same standard.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, you respond to my posts with more than one response each. You are the most prolific poster I have ever seen.

Nope, you are mistaken. That is probably because you keep repeating your errors.

The post you refer to has not brought up the behavior verses orientation issue.

I know, that is why I told you to ask him. Sheesh!

I never said your the only one that has been mistaken but you seldom post on topic and I have to spend most of the time trying to get you back on topic.

But I am not the mistaken one here. That you do not realize this is why your posts are constantly the same. And please, when you wander off topic or run away (which you do at times to) I will follow or chase you. So once again, projection.