Christians, anything wrong with the following?

[Kemosloby]

Yeah, Chritians are afraid of death. Even Muslims are not. For Hindus, it is a routine affair - dying and being born again.

Yea right. Hindus are dying and being born again. uh huh. Muslims have no fear of death, why are they fleeing for their lives in the middle east?

 

[Kemosloby]

So you think God's mercy is the rejection of fairness?

If fairly judged there is only one outcome, death.

 

[Sw. Vandana Jyothi]

He rules with an iron rod....
read that somewhere

No, that's our Daddy (the Christ/Buddha/Krishna/Allah/NamedGod/OneGod et al principle). Let me see if I'm in a debate forum. Yep, good. It's the Christ principle which extends an invitation to the humble, open heart. Jesus, among other human beings who are atOne with Father, at times manifested this principle in full. At other times, he appeared to have his doubts like ordinary human beings. The loftiness of his total surrender to the will of our Father, commencing in the Garden of Gethsemane and culminating on the cross ("Nevertheless, Thy will be done, not mine") is an example for all of us of how it's done, Christian, Hindu, Bahai, you name it.

That "iron rod" alluded to in the Christian bible is the Law of Karma of the Hindus, not some cylindrical metal shaft capable of inflicting blunt force trauma. It is invoking the well known, inescapable "as you sow, so shall you reap" lever.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If fairly judged there is only one outcome, death.

Fair judging requires fair laws. I think you mean "if consistently judged."

 

[Aupmanyav]

Muslims have no fear of death, why are they fleeing for their lives in the middle east?

Allah wants that (otherwise it would not have happened). Who will populate the West in future if Muslims are not there?

 

[Thief]

No, that's our Daddy (the Christ/Buddha/Krishna/Allah/NamedGod/OneGod et al principle). Let me see if I'm in a debate forum. Yep, good. It's the Christ principle which extends an invitation to the humble, open heart. Jesus, among other human beings who are atOne with Father, at times manifested this principle in full. At other times, he appeared to have his doubts like ordinary human beings. The loftiness of his total surrender to the will of our Father, commencing in the Garden of Gethsemane and culminating on the cross ("Nevertheless, Thy will be done, not mine") is an example for all of us of how it's done, Christian, Hindu, Bahai, you name it.

That "iron rod" alluded to in the Christian bible is the Law of Karma of the Hindus, not some cylindrical metal shaft capable of inflicting blunt force trauma. It is invoking the well known, inescapable "as you sow, so shall you reap" lever.

I read it as hierarchy

any hand outstretched would be struck down....
and will offend no one ever again

if the Lord doesn't approve the manner that you come and go....
one stroke to your spine and you will beg your coming and going

and if the Lord be displeased.....altogether....
one stroke upon your crown and your dominion will end

makes sense to me

 

[Kemosloby]

Fair judging requires fair laws. I think you mean "if consistently judged."

Who decides what are fair laws? I've heard it said "prisons are for people who make their own rules", they obviously disagree with the rules of others, thinking them unfair.

 

[Kemosloby]

Allah wants that (otherwise it would not have happened). Who will populate the West in future if Muslims are not there?

Latinos. Don't you know that?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Who decides what are fair laws?

You think you do, apparently, since you describe God's judgement as fair.

So let's go with what you think is fair. Here are a list of attributes that are commonly considered to be part of fairness:

- proportionality: the punishment should be proportional to the offense. Worse and lesser offenses are punished more or less harshly, and no punishment is so out-of-keeping with the severity of the offense that it qualifies as cruel.

- usefulness: the punishment serves a valid purpose (e.g. deterrence or rehabilitation). It isn't just inflicting suffering for suffering's sake.

- necessity: not only the punishment needs to be justified, but so does the law itself. Any law needs a legitimate purpose. Artibrary laws are unfair, even if the punishment for breaking them is light.

Do you agree with these criteria for fairness? Are there any you'd take away? Any you'd add?

 

[Brickjectivity]

I view the graphic as an attempt to free people from a chick-tract mindset, but it does not at all clarify. Yes there is plenty wrong with it, but it has artistic value.

 

[Reggie Miller II]

This is an image (created in 2013 I believe) that first appeared on the Betty Bowers ("America's Best Christian") web site, which has since found itself popping up across the internet---it was recently posted in a thread here on RF. It's a parody of the For Dummies instructional/reference books.

I realize some Christians might take exception to it, perhaps as an abuse of a well known theme of Jesus knocking on the door, but aside from that, as a succinct summery of Christian salvation I believe it's spot on.

Any disagreements?

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A sinner has condemned himself to righteous judgement so Jesus isn't doing anything to them. One brings condemnation on himself.

Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, however, serve as a substitute for the judgement of sin for those who believe it.

It's just that simple.

The caption is not telling the story the way the Bible does. therefore it is wrong.

 

[Kemosloby]

You think you do, apparently, since you describe God's judgement as fair.

So let's go with what you think is fair. Here are a list of attributes that are commonly considered to be part of fairness:

- proportionality: the punishment should be proportional to the offense. Worse and lesser offenses are punished more or less harshly, and no punishment is so out-of-keeping with the severity of the offense that it qualifies as cruel.

- usefulness: the punishment serves a valid purpose (e.g. deterrence or rehabilitation). It isn't just inflicting suffering for suffering's sake.

- necessity: not only the punishment needs to be justified, but so does the law itself. Any law needs a legitimate purpose. Artibrary laws are unfair, even if the punishment for breaking them is light.

Do you agree with these criteria for fairness? Are there any you'd take away? Any you'd add?

I believe in the cake or death argument. It's so much simpler to decide. Cake or death?

 

[Father Heathen]

It is a parody that doesn't work for two reasons:-

Reason 1.

The parody suggest that the person knocking has power. How can he have power to do something if they don't let him in if he doesn't have power to save them? Surely it is in direct conflict suggesting if they let him in they are saved. And that they are saved from what will happen if they don't let him in.

Reason 2. What does letting him in save them from and how can he do anything to them if no power if they don't let him in.

Not a well thought out parody...

Do you know what an extortion racket is?

 

[Father Heathen]

If fairly judged there is only one outcome, death.

Fair judgement implies that the punishment is proportionate to the crime, and since no human is capable of committing anything that's equivalent to burning for eternity, it's not justice but rather infinitely excessive. What purpose would it serve other than torture porn for some sick, sadistic god? If there is a god, he would be a being of pure love and pure logic, therefor anything devoid of reason or compassion cannot be of god.

 

[ratiocinator]

A sinner has condemned himself to righteous judgement so Jesus isn't doing anything to them. One brings condemnation on himself.

Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, however, serve as a substitute for the judgement of sin for those who believe it.

It's just that simple.

I still find it staggering that people can repeat this sort of stuff and not notice how monstrous it makes their god.

• If everybody sins, that's not a choice, it's a design flaw.
• Substitution is obviously unjust.
• The criterion that we have to believe it (without any evidence or reasoning and despite the daftness of the whole idea) is even more unjust.

 

[Father Heathen]

A sinner has condemned himself to righteous judgement so Jesus isn't doing anything to them. One brings condemnation on himself.

So who create hell, the notion of sin, and is and isn't considered a sin, etc?

 

[Father Heathen]

I still find it staggering that people can repeat this sort of stuff and not notice how monstrous it makes their god.

• If everybody sins, that's not a choice, it's a design flaw.
• Substitution is obviously unjust.
• The criterion that we have to believe it (without any evidence or reasoning and despite the daftness of the whole idea) is even more unjust.

It does seem rather silly that god would gift us with the ability to reason, only to expect us to forgo its use.

 

[Kemosloby]

Fair judgement implies that the punishment is proportionate to the crime, and since no human is capable of committing anything that's equivalent to burning for eternity, it's not justice but rather infinitely excessive. What purpose would it serve other than torture porn for some sick, sadistic god? If there is a god, he would be a being of pure love and pure logic, therefor anything devoid of reason or compassion cannot be of god.

So you say. But God gives mankind a choice Cake or death. Some will choose cake, and some will choose death. With freedom to choose as a cherry on top. Sounds pretty nice.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Can't see anything Theologically incorrect there

many Christians do not believe is Salvation Theology at all.

 

[RESOLUTION]

Do you know what an extortion racket is?

But the fact is with extortion rackets they only deliver up the goods because a threat is real.

Extortion like blackmail is to take something no one want to give freely.

Christ gave freely and people receive freely. No the same thing at all. So the truth is that extortion cannot apply to the free gift of eternal life and forgiveness these things cannot be earned and they cannot be bought.