Christians are crazy - a worldly view

[Muffled]

I finished re-watching the ninth episode of Joan of Arcadia on youtube.com and realized why Joan ended up seeking psychological help ( a later episode). In history class the teacher referred to Joan of Arc as being crazy because she claimed to hear from God. This sowed the seed of doubt in Joan about her own sanity even though God has already shown her many wonderful things. However the question I have is whether to heed what the world says about our sanity when it has no experience or should we listen to our experience that has a Biblical basis?

 

[ChristineM]

The world... medical science, psychiatry, phycology, social services (those who deal with mental illness), etc have considerable experience. Far more in fact than the bible.​

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Being a (long distance) carer for someone with, really quite extreme, mental illness i would say i to am quite experienced, albeit in a narrow field.​

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[Madsaac]

I finished re-watching the ninth episode of Joan of Arcadia on youtube.com and realized why Joan ended up seeking psychological help ( a later episode). In history class the teacher referred to Joan of Arc as being crazy because she claimed to hear from God. This sowed the seed of doubt in Joan about her own sanity even though God has already shown her many wonderful things. However the question I have is whether to heed what the world says about our sanity when it has no experience or should we listen to our experience that has a Biblical basis?

Not aware of the show but just to clarify are you asking if we should believe what 'experts' say about mental illness or listen to the bible? Forgive me if I'm wrong....

But is this a joke?

Joan of Arc lived in a time when she saw could not be explained scientifically like today, so she thought it was 'God'

Joan was just losing her mind.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not aware of the show but just to clarify are you asking if we should believe what 'experts' say about mental illness or listen to the bible? Forgive me if I'm wrong....

But is this a joke?

Joan of Arc lived in a time when she saw could not be explained scientifically like today, so she thought it was 'God'

Joan was just losing her mind.

Things didn't end so well for Joan either.

 

[Heyo]

I finished re-watching the ninth episode of Joan of Arcadia on youtube.com and realized why Joan ended up seeking psychological help ( a later episode). In history class the teacher referred to Joan of Arc as being crazy because she claimed to hear from God. This sowed the seed of doubt in Joan about her own sanity even though God has already shown her many wonderful things. However the question I have is whether to heed what the world says about our sanity when it has no experience or should we listen to our experience that has a Biblical basis?

Is your experience supported by peer review, repetition of experiments, an explanatory theory? If yes, go with your experience, if no, ask yourself how much of it is delusion and confirmation bias.

 

[rocala]

However the question I have is whether to heed what the world says about our sanity when it has no experience or should we listen to our experience that has a Biblical basis?

I totally agree with the comments of @ChristineM in post 2. I used to do work with a charity that brought me into contact with people suffering from mental illness. During training, the teacher gave us a quote to remember, "Neurotics build castles in the air, psychotics move into them." In the case of the latter, listening to their own experience can be a very risky and unreliable activity for them and would certainly not be helped by attempting to impose a biblical interpretation on it.

 

[Muffled]

The world... medical science, psychiatry, phycology, social services (those who deal with mental illness), etc have considerable experience. Far more in fact than the bible.​

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Being a (long distance) carer for someone with, really quite extreme, mental illness i would say i to am quite experienced, albeit in a narrow field.​

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I believe their experience is false and blind tot he truth.

I believe there are people with true mental illnesses and I have met them. However one person who was declared sane actually was listening to a demon.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I finished re-watching the ninth episode of Joan of Arcadia on youtube.com and realized why Joan ended up seeking psychological help ( a later episode). In history class the teacher referred to Joan of Arc as being crazy because she claimed to hear from God. This sowed the seed of doubt in Joan about her own sanity even though God has already shown her many wonderful things. However the question I have is whether to heed what the world says about our sanity when it has no experience or should we listen to our experience that has a Biblical basis?

Something is really only a clinical mental health problem if it's causing you distress in your life and impairment of functioning. If you believe you receive visions or God is speaking to you and all else is fine, that's not a mental health issue. This is in the realm of normal human behavior, for people to seek mystical experiences and visions.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Joan was just losing her mind.

There's no evidence that Joan of Arc was mentally ill. Psychosis is kind of obvious, you know. Madness is not a new thing, and there are writings about that going back to antiquity. So people knew about mental illness all along. Us moderns didn't just discover it. People who are "losing their mind" don't tend to accomplish such feats as Joan. The people who knew her were very impressed by her:

Thoughts and Descriptions of Joan of Arc

Thoughts and Impressions of Joan of Arc

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[Kathryn]

The world... medical science, psychiatry, phycology, social services (those who deal with mental illness), etc have considerable experience. Far more in fact than the bible.​

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Being a (long distance) carer for someone with, really quite extreme, mental illness i would say i to am quite experienced, albeit in a narrow field.​

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Hey, my brother, who lives a state away, has schizophrenia and is considered 100 percent disabled. And both our parents and our other brother are deceased, but I don't do much in the way of caring for my brother, since to him, I am the PERPETRATOR (I am not).

 

[ChristineM]

Hey, my brother, who lives a state away, has schizophrenia and is considered 100 percent disabled. And both our parents and our other brother are deceased, but I don't do much in the way of caring for my brother, since to him, I am the PERPETRATOR (I am not).

Brother in law is estranged from his parents for the same reason. My husband loves him but cannot cope leaving me to try to hold him together.

 

[Muffled]

Not aware of the show but just to clarify are you asking if we should believe what 'experts' say about mental illness or listen to the bible? Forgive me if I'm wrong....

But is this a joke?

Joan of Arc lived in a time when she saw could not be explained scientifically like today, so she thought it was 'God'

Joan was just losing her mind.

Joan of Arcadia - Wikipedia Now on Youtube.

I believe the experts know a great deal about mental illness but most do not know much about spirituality. I was thinking more of common people who know even less and tend to be more biased.

Joan was tried by the British as an heretic but then she was the enemy and it is easy to demonize the enemy. The fact is she can't be judged by scientific standards because there weren't any there to judge her. She certainly seemed credible enough to people in authority to give her leadership roles.

 

[Muffled]

Is your experience supported by peer review, repetition of experiments, an explanatory theory? If yes, go with your experience, if no, ask yourself how much of it is delusion and confirmation bias.

I believe I do not make foolish assumptions.

 

[Muffled]

Hey, my brother, who lives a state away, has schizophrenia and is considered 100 percent disabled. And both our parents and our other brother are deceased, but I don't do much in the way of caring for my brother, since to him, I am the PERPETRATOR (I am not).

I worked at a mental hospital and patients would drop by for a visit. One of them was conversing naturally when all of a sudden he got angry saying I was broadcasting thoughts into his head. I believe that was an invalid assumption but he didn't stick around to explore alternative thinking.

 

[ChristineM]

I believe their experience is false and blind tot he truth.

I believe there are people with true mental illnesses and I have met them. However one person who was declared sane actually was listening to a demon.

You are entitled to believe whatever you want but I'll take modern medical science over biblical mumbo jumbo any day.

 

[Kathryn]

Brother in law is estranged from his parents for the same reason. My husband loves him but cannot cope leaving me to try to hold him together.

Good luck with that. My brother did fine for many years on his meds but eventually they stopped working and he stopped going to his psychiatrist I believe. So he's off the rails again. Oh well, I can't help him anymore. He wears me out anyway. Someone at some point asked me to be his trustee and I said no way! I don't want that much involvement with him, especially since he doesn't appreciate or respect me in any way. I am a single woman anyway - I don't even want him to know where I live!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Is your experience supported by peer review, repetition of experiments, an explanatory theory? If yes, go with your experience, if no, ask yourself how much of it is delusion and confirmation bias.

Lol, who actually lives their life like that. Nothing would ever get done.

 

[ChristineM]

Good luck with that. My brother did fine for many years on his meds but eventually they stopped working and he stopped going to his psychiatrist I believe. So he's off the rails again. Oh well, I can't help him anymore. He wears me out anyway. Someone at some point asked me to be his trustee and I said no way! I don't want that much involvement with him, especially since he doesn't appreciate or respect me in any way. I am a single woman anyway - I don't even want him to know where I live!

He stopped taking his meds last year, after 10 months of really bad stuff he was hospitalised for 6 weeks. Now he takes his meds again and is a different person.

 

[Regiomontanus]

I finished re-watching the ninth episode of Joan of Arcadia on youtube.com and realized why Joan ended up seeking psychological help ( a later episode). In history class the teacher referred to Joan of Arc as being crazy because she claimed to hear from God. This sowed the seed of doubt in Joan about her own sanity even though God has already shown her many wonderful things. However the question I have is whether to heed what the world says about our sanity when it has no experience or should we listen to our experience that has a Biblical basis?

"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."

Romans 12:2

 

[Link]

I finished re-watching the ninth episode of Joan of Arcadia on youtube.com and realized why Joan ended up seeking psychological help ( a later episode). In history class the teacher referred to Joan of Arc as being crazy because she claimed to hear from God. This sowed the seed of doubt in Joan about her own sanity even though God has already shown her many wonderful things. However the question I have is whether to heed what the world says about our sanity when it has no experience or should we listen to our experience that has a Biblical basis?

Usually, mental illness is the diagnosis only if there's functionality impairment.