Christians; Are Modern Prophets worth anything?

[Katzpur]

I think there is a total lack of proof that Israelites came here. I think its just an Americanized exploitation of the lost tribes.

That's funny, since it has nothing to do with the lost tribes.

Whatever it is, point still stands.

Excuse me? What point would that be? If the Book of Mormon has nothing to do with the lost tribes, there should be no proof that the lost tribes ever came to America. Do you realize what you just said? Here's an analogy for you:

Jacob: There is no proof that the moon is made of green cheese.
Katzpur: Mormons have never claimed that the moon is made of green cheese.
Jacob: Whatever. The point still stands.

(You haven't had much experience debating, have you, Jacob? :no

 

[Pegg]

You tell me, wasn'tthe world suppose to end in the early 1900's

Something like that

ah, so you think that if someone put an interpretation to the prophecies in the bible, they are a prophet.

right, got ya.

 

[JacobEzra.]

ah, so you think that if someone put an interpretation to the prophecies in the bible, they are a prophet.

right, got ya.

When they claim to speak for God, yerp

 

[JacobEzra.]

Excuse me? What point would that be? If the Book of Mormon has nothing to do with the lost tribes, there should be no proof that the lost tribes ever came to America. Do you realize what you just said? Here's an analogy for you:

Jacob: There is no proof that the moon is made of green cheese.
Katzpur: Mormons have never claimed that the moon is made of green cheese.
Jacob: Whatever. The point still stands.

(You haven't had much experience debating, have you, Jacob? :no

Right, I don't really care. I just know I won't bother my time to read a supposed book translated from Golden tablets (that no one has ever seen)

 

[Pegg]

When they claim to speak for God, yerp

so the pope is a prophet too then?

 

[JacobEzra.]

so the pope is a prophet too then?

Pope doesn't speak for God

 

[Pegg]

Pope doesn't speak for God

im so glad you said that.

 

[JacobEzra.]

so the pope is a prophet too then?

Pope doesn't speak for God

im so glad you said that.

Most people familiar with Catholic theology will tell you Pope is not one who speaks for God. Its not a belief of Catholicism.

See you learned something today

 

[Pegg]

Most people familiar with Catholic theology will tell you Pope is not one who speaks for God. Its not a belief of Catholicism.

See you learned something today

but do you still think his word is infallible? because that IS a part of catholic dogma.... and one can only be infallible if he is speaking from God.

 

[JacobEzra.]

but do you still think his word is infallible? because that IS a part of catholic dogma.... and one can only be infallible if he is speaking from God.

Go learn Catholic doctrine and then speak to me

 

[Katzpur]

Right, I don't really care. I just know I won't bother my time to read a supposed book translated from Golden tablets (that no one has ever seen)

Of course you don't care, and of course you won't bother reading a book before condemning it. That would be far too mature and responsible a move for you. Just remain as uneducated about everybody else's beliefs as you can. That way you won't have cause to question your own.

By the way, eleven people other than Joseph Smith saw the plates. I know... your pointless point still stands.

 

[Katzpur]

but do you still think his word is infallible? because that IS a part of catholic dogma.... and one can only be infallible if he is speaking from God.

Your post reminded me of a little two-line joke I once heard:

"In Catholicism, the Pope's supposed to be infallible, but nobody believes it; in Mormonism, the Prophet's supposed to be fallible, but nobody believes it."

 

[Rathus]

No one can dispute this clear fact.
frubals

Does anyone here actually read these verses in context? Please, please read Amos chapters 1, 2, and 3 IN CONTEXT! The verse Mormons quote about God not doing anything without first consulting with His prophets is always taken out of context and misapplied. Did God consult with His prophets when He created the earth? Of course not! How could He when prophets hadn't even been created yet!

The context is specifically talking about JUDGMENT! God will judge His people, but it will not come as a surprise. No one will be able to say, "I didn't know." Because God's people have been warned ahead of time that judgment was coming. Again, READ the chapters in context.

 

[Rathus]

who are the JW prophets? funny how, after 20 years as a jw, I never heard we had any prophets among us

So, as a JW, you don't consider the Watchtower to be the "Faithful and Discreet Slave"? Has not this organization given numerous "prophecies" in the past?

 

[Shia Islam]

Does anyone here actually read these verses in context? Please, please read Amos chapters 1, 2, and 3 IN CONTEXT! The verse Mormons quote about God not doing anything without first consulting with His prophets is always taken out of context and misapplied. Did God consult with His prophets when He created the earth? Of course not! How could He when prophets hadn't even been created yet!

The context is specifically talking about JUDGMENT! God will judge His people, but it will not come as a surprise. No one will be able to say, "I didn't know." Because God's people have been warned ahead of time that judgment was coming. Again, READ the chapters in context.

I don't want to derail the the topic...
But I was referring to the idea that God's way is to talk to people through humans...not through old books ...not online ...

This is an evident theme in the bible...It's also a pillar of Shia Islam ...
This idea makes the difference between Shia and Sunni Islam..

 

[silvermoon383]

Thing is, I tend to stay away from cults like LDS. I don't want to be a zombie

And you just lost what little credibility you had left. If you were wiling to learn you'd quickly see how varied members of the Church are, and how non-zombie like we are. Not to mention the use of such loaded language such as that is insulting to both the speaker, those who read it, and those to whom it is directed.

 

[Pegg]

So, as a JW, you don't consider the Watchtower to be the "Faithful and Discreet Slave"? Has not this organization given numerous "prophecies" in the past?

when Jesus spoke about the 'faithful and discreet slave' he was talking about his followers who would be doing what was asked of them 'faithfully' and 'discreetly' and thus gaining the approval of God and Christ.

the expression does not mean they were to be prophets. and no, as a JW (and even the faithful and discreet slave class themselves) I do not consider them to be prophets. They have not prophesied...they have read the prophesies written in the bible and tried to understand them, but they have never created a new prophecy.

 

[Pegg]

Your post reminded me of a little two-line joke I once heard:

"In Catholicism, the Pope's supposed to be infallible, but nobody believes it; in Mormonism, the Prophet's supposed to be fallible, but nobody believes it."

lol cute.

 

[Pegg]

Go learn Catholic doctrine and then speak to me

“infallible magisterium"

1869-1870 C.E. The First Vatican Council declares the Roman pope infallible.

the definition given by the council states:

“It is a divinely revealed dogma that the Roman pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when acting in the office of shepherd and teacher of all Christians, he defines, by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the universal church, possesses through the divine assistance promised to him in the person of blessed Peter, the infallibility with which the divine Redeemer willed his church to be endowed in defining the doctrine concerning faith or morals; and that such definitions of the Roman pontiff are therefore irreformable of themselves, not because of the consent of the church.”

 

[JacobEzra.]

“infallible magisterium"

1869-1870 C.E. The First Vatican Council declares the Roman pope infallible.

the definition given by the council states:

“It is a divinely revealed dogma that the Roman pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when acting in the office of shepherd and teacher of all Christians, he defines, by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the universal church, possesses through the divine assistance promised to him in the person of blessed Peter, the infallibility with which the divine Redeemer willed his church to be endowed in defining the doctrine concerning faith or morals; and that such definitions of the Roman pontiff are therefore irreformable of themselves, not because of the consent of the church.”

And do you actually understand that? Or do you still hold onto that silly notion that it means Pope speaks for God?