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Christians, How do You Deal With Troublesome Scriptures?

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I agree, there are mistakes in all English translated bibles. Probably in all modern Greek bibles too. What I haven't seen is that the KJV inherently conveys the message better, or has less errors, then NIV or NASB. The former of which is pretty well respected and the latter seen as the most literal you can get. Cross references make understanding easier, I agree. But moreso with parallels than single translations.

Understandable, as a nonbeliever you don't see much of a difference.

But to a believer who studies extensively (like myself), it is different as night and day.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I agree, there are mistakes in all English translated bibles. Probably in all modern Greek bibles too. What I haven't seen is that the KJV inherently conveys the message better, or has less errors, then NIV or NASB. The former of which is pretty well respected and the latter seen as the most literal you can get. Cross references make understanding easier, I agree. But moreso with parallels than single translations.
I tend to agree.

Back in 1611, when the King James Version was written, the more ancient manuscripts (which of course would be closer to the originals) hadn’t been discovered yet. The KJV translators relied on manuscripts no older than the 10th century. The Syriac Pe****ta and other ancient ones weren’t available.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Huh? Are you saying Jesus and Paul’s fellow Apostles weren’t?
Jewish linage (Hebrew) and Jewish religion are two different things. Not all Jews were strict to Judaism. Paul is speaking of the "religion" of the Jews (past, by the word fathers) to the idea that there is no Jew or Gentile under the Gospel.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
I chose to point out your misunderstandings/misrepresentations of scripture. I don't think pulling a strawman on God works.
Are there a lot of theories out there that Adam wasn't the first man? Not sure I have heard this as a very prolific belief/understanding. That is what you're getting at, isn't it?

If you read Genesis 6:1-6 you can see Genesis 6: 6 in context. As he is talking about fallen angels that bred with the daughter of men bringing forth the Nephilim (the giants spoken of). Which then eventually leads us to the events of Noah and the flood.
So when it says "the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth"... he meant "giants?" Interesting take on the words there. I never would have put that together given the actual words written. Actually... how did you?
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Are there a lot of theories out there that Adam wasn't the first man? Not sure I have heard this as a very prolific belief/understanding. That is what you're getting at, isn't it?

The belief that Adam was the first man is a fallacy. God created all ethnicities on the 6th day in Genesis 1. These lived outside of Eden in the land of Nod and beyond. Adam was not created until after God had rested on the 7th day, so technically on the 8th day was Adam created.

So when it says "the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth"... he meant "giants?" Interesting take on the words there. I never would have put that together given the actual words written. Actually... how did you?

That's because I never said that.

Your confused.

Go back and read the source material in context to understand. Here I'll post it for your convenience. Pay close attention to Genesis 6:4-6

Genesis 6

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

This brought about the Nephilim. Which eventually lead to the flood and the reason for the flood. Which was to get rid of the Nephilim.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Hey Enoch07, hope you’re well.

But I have to disagree, from what Genesis 3:20, Romans 5:12, and especially Acts of the Apostles 17:26.

Take care.

That's cool. I don't pretend to know everything. It's just my interpretation. Jesus tongue cuts like a double edged sword for a reason. And that means even some of us Christians will get some things wrong as well.

Merry Christmas!
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Scriptures involving issues such as:

The order of events:

BEASTS created before man
Genesis 1:25-26
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​

Vs

MAN created before beasts
Genesis 2:7-8...18-19
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man.] He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. 8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in the East, in a place named Eden. He put the man he made in that garden.. . . .

19 18 Then the Lord God said, “I see that it is not good for the man to be alone. I will make the companion he needs, one just right for him.” 19 The Lord God used dust from the ground and made every animal in the fields and every bird in the air. He brought all these animals to the man, and the man gave them all a name.

Difference in fact

Jehoiachin was 18 years old
2 kings 24:8
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.​

Vs

Jehoiachin was 8 years old
2 Chronicles 36:9
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

Perfect nature of god
His way is perfect
2 Samuel 22:31
31 “As for God, his way is perfect: The Lord’s word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him.

His works are perfect
Deuteronomy 32:4
The works of God are perfect, and all his ways are judgments: God is faithful and without any iniquity, he is just and right.

Vs


His mistake in making man
Genesis 6:6
the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

His mistake of making Saul King
1 Samuel 15:11
I regret making Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not performed My commands. And Samuel was grieved and angry [with Saul], and he cried to the Lord all night.

Conflicting translations
Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create ____: I the Lord do all these things.

1. New Living Translation "Bad Times"
2. New International Version "Disaster"
3. King James Version "Evil"
4. New King James Version "Calamity"
5. Complete Jewish Bible "woe"
6. Common English Bible "Doom"
7. New Century Version "troubles"
8. The Message "Discords"
9. Reina Valera 1960 "Adversity"
10. New International Readers Version "Hard Times"

Do you

1.Concede they're there, shrug your shoulders, and continue on with your faith.

2. Claim they can't be issues because the Bible is inerrant, and continue on with your faith.

3. Admit they pose a problem, but can be explained away---even if you personally can't do so---and continue on with your faith.

4. Do your utmost to reconcile each and everyone of them, continuing on with your faith.

5. Say they don't matter because they don't affect the loftier message of the Bible, and continue on with your faith

6. Hate to admit they're quite troublesome and will start examining your beliefs, but continue on with your faith.

7.Thank Skwim for bringing these to your attention, and not continue on with your faith.

.









Making was alone without one 'like himself'
Bringing the animals to him was a way of emphasizing Eve was the one he longed for

The difference between 18 and 8 could be a scribal copyist error and not a difference in the original

His ways and his works are perfect... no problem
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
This brought about the Nephilim. Which eventually lead to the flood and the reason for the flood. Which was to get rid of the Nephilim.
If God's intent with flood were only to purge the world of these "Nephilim", then why make these statements in connection with the flood?

"God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth"

And:

"it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth"

This seems like it really, really confuses the matter if the true target of the flood's killing/maiming/suffer-causing power was the "Nephilim".
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
If God's intent with flood were only to purge the world of these "Nephilim", then why make these statements in connection with the flood?

"God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth"

And:

"it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth"

This seems like it really, really confuses the matter if the true target of the flood's killing/maiming/suffer-causing power was the "Nephilim".

Enoch (the real one not me) preached in Noah's time about the dangers of breeding and producing the Nephilim. They refused to heed the warnings. This is the wickedness spoke of. Not all of mankind was guilty of this though.

The way I see it is like this.

Your a parent (God) and you have 3 children (humans and angels). One of those children intentionally kill the other 2 then commits suicide. Even though I had 2 good ones and 1 bad, I still regret having children at all because of the heartache caused by all 3 being dead at the hands of 1.

Basically that's the way I view the events of the flood, simplified anyways.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Scriptures involving issues such as:

The order of events:

BEASTS created before man
Genesis 1:25-26
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

What do you, considered so trouble some about that ?​

Vs

MAN created before beasts
Genesis 2:7-8...18-19
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man.] He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. 8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in the East, in a place named Eden. He put the man he made in that garden.. . . .

What do you consider so trouble some about this?

19 18 Then the Lord God said, “I see that it is not good for the man to be alone. I will make the companion he needs, one just right for him.” 19 The Lord God used dust from the ground and made every animal in the fields and every bird in the air. He brought all these animals to the man, and the man gave them all a name.

If you go back to Genesis 1:26, These being all the different Races of the human Race.being created on the six day

Where as in Genesis 2:7 the male and female being created on the day after God rested on the 7th day.

Which has nothing to do with those created on the 6th day.
In Genesis 1:26.

Difference in fact

Jehoiachin was 18 years old
2 kings 24:8
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.​

Vs

Jehoiachin was 8 years old
2 Chronicles 36:9
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

What is so trouble some for you.

In 2 kings 24:8, Jehoiachin was 18 years old,
Where as in 2 Chronicles 36:9,
Jehoiachin was only 8 years old.

Perfect nature of god
His way is perfect
2 Samuel 22:31
31 “As for God, his way is perfect: The Lord’s word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him.

His works are perfect
Deuteronomy 32:4
The works of God are perfect, and all his ways are judgments: God is faithful and without any iniquity, he is just and right.

Vs


His mistake in making man
Genesis 6:6
the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

His mistake of making Saul King
1 Samuel 15:11
I regret making Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not performed My commands. And Samuel was grieved and angry [with Saul], and he cried to the Lord all night.

Just because God or anyone else regrets to what they may haved done, doesn't make it wrong, As you seem to think, When God created mankind, it was all good, it's not fault of God's, that you or anyone else turns out the way you do, No that's the fault of yourself.
Conflicting translations
Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create ____: I the Lord do all these things.

1. New Living Translation "Bad Times"
2. New International Version "Disaster"
3. King James Version "Evil"
4. New King James Version "Calamity"
5. Complete Jewish Bible "woe"
6. Common English Bible "Doom"
7. New Century Version "troubles"
8. The Message "Discords"
9. Reina Valera 1960 "Adversity"
10. New International Readers Version "Hard Times"

Without evil, how would you know what good is ?
Without good, how would you know what evil is ?

Without darkness, how would you know what darkness is ?

Without day light, How would you know, what day light is ?

Without winter's, how would you know what winter is ?

Without a world of animals, how would you know what an animal is ?
Without no one dieing, How exactly would you know, What dieing is ?
Without death, How exactly,would you know what death is ?

Without a world of having trees, flowers, grass, How exactly would you know what all these things are ?

Therefore without evil, how exactly would you know what evil is ?
Without good, how exactly would you know what good is

Common Sense will tell you. Without one thing, How exactly would you know what the opposite is ?

Therefore you lack Common Sense, that knowledge will tell you, if there were never a cat,dog, birds, How exactly would you know what they are,?
Before people found the dinosaurs bones, No one knew what a dinosaur was.
That now people knows about the dinosaurs bones.

Therefore without the dinosaurs bones, No one would ever know, what a dinosaur is ?

Do you

1.Concede they're there, shrug your shoulders, and continue on with your faith.

2. Claim they can't be issues because the Bible is inerrant, and continue on with your faith.

3. Admit they pose a problem, but can be explained away---even if you personally can't do so---and continue on with your faith.

4. Do your utmost to reconcile each and everyone of them, continuing on with your faith.

5. Say they don't matter because they don't affect the loftier message of the Bible, and continue on with your faith

6. Hate to admit they're quite troublesome and will start examining your beliefs, but continue on with your faith.

7.Thank Skwim for bringing these to your attention, and not continue on with your faith.

.







 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Scriptures involving issues such as:

The order of events:

BEASTS created before man
Genesis 1:25-26
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​

Vs

MAN created before beasts
Genesis 2:7-8...18-19
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man.] He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. 8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in the East, in a place named Eden. He put the man he made in that garden.. . . .

19 18 Then the Lord God said, “I see that it is not good for the man to be alone. I will make the companion he needs, one just right for him.” 19 The Lord God used dust from the ground and made every animal in the fields and every bird in the air. He brought all these animals to the man, and the man gave them all a name.

Difference in fact

Jehoiachin was 18 years old
2 kings 24:8
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.​

Vs

Jehoiachin was 8 years old
2 Chronicles 36:9
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

Perfect nature of god
His way is perfect
2 Samuel 22:31
31 “As for God, his way is perfect: The Lord’s word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him.

His works are perfect
Deuteronomy 32:4
The works of God are perfect, and all his ways are judgments: God is faithful and without any iniquity, he is just and right.

Vs


His mistake in making man
Genesis 6:6
the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

His mistake of making Saul King
1 Samuel 15:11
I regret making Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not performed My commands. And Samuel was grieved and angry [with Saul], and he cried to the Lord all night.

Conflicting translations
Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create ____: I the Lord do all these things.

1. New Living Translation "Bad Times"
2. New International Version "Disaster"
3. King James Version "Evil"
4. New King James Version "Calamity"
5. Complete Jewish Bible "woe"
6. Common English Bible "Doom"
7. New Century Version "troubles"
8. The Message "Discords"
9. Reina Valera 1960 "Adversity"
10. New International Readers Version "Hard Times"

Do you

1.Concede they're there, shrug your shoulders, and continue on with your faith.

2. Claim they can't be issues because the Bible is inerrant, and continue on with your faith.

3. Admit they pose a problem, but can be explained away---even if you personally can't do so---and continue on with your faith.

4. Do your utmost to reconcile each and everyone of them, continuing on with your faith.

5. Say they don't matter because they don't affect the loftier message of the Bible, and continue on with your faith

6. Hate to admit they're quite troublesome and will start examining your beliefs, but continue on with your faith.

7.Thank Skwim for bringing these to your attention, and not continue on with your faith.

Did you get your answer?

Believers simply don't let these inconsistencies bother them. Some can be reconciled by calling something allegory or metaphor, some by claiming a translation problem, some by saying that the skeptic doesn't understand and is unqualified to interpret scripture much less call it contradictory or incorrect, some by saying that God works in mysterious ways beyond the grasp of man's puny ken, and in the case of one particularly brave soul, that these things simply don't matter to him.

But you knew this already, right?
 
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Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member

Did you get your answer?

Believers simply don't let these inconsistencies bother them. Some can be reconciled by calling something allegory or metaphor, some by claiming a translation problem, some by saying that the skeptic doesn't understand and is unqualified to interpret scripture much less call it contradictory or incorrect, some by saying that God works in mysterious ways beyond the grasp of man's puny ken, and in the case of one particularly brave soul, that these things simply don't matter to him.

But you knew this already.

how do you get inconsistencies ?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member

Did you get your answer?

Believers simply don't let these inconsistencies bother them. Some can be reconciled by calling something allegory or metaphor, some by claiming a translation problem, some by saying that the skeptic doesn't understand and is unqualified to interpret scripture much less call it contradictory or incorrect, some by saying that God works in mysterious ways beyond the grasp of man's puny ken, and in the case of one particularly brave soul, that these things simply don't matter to him.

But you knew this already, right?
My question was:

Christians, How do You Deal With Troublesome Scriptures?
So, no. I didn't know what what the answers would be.

.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
how do you get inconsistencies ?

I read them in the OP.

Besides internal contradictions such as the three enumerated in the OP, the Bible has many examples of failed prophecies, unkept promises, and errors of science and history.

To the impartial, critical thinker, these constitute evidence that the Bible was cobbled together by a collection of people that didn't know as much as we do today and who gave personal opinions that often were in error or contradicted other opinions - not the thoughts of a deity.

Imagine how spectacular a book authored by a superhuman mind would be.

Instead, we have a book with not one sentence that couldn't have been written by someone from the first century. Just about anyone alive today could easily improve on any of the holy books that people still follow. What does it tell us when anyone can improve on the Bible (and Qur'an), but very few can improve a book by Stephen Hawking?

Put another way, what is the likelihood that the source of the Bible is the same as the source of the universe? Just look at them both for your answer. One is a physical system that is immense, powerful, intricate, internally consistent, and far beyond the ability of man to create, whereas the other is just another erroneous holy book.

Wouldn't that be a bit like asking whether the author of misspelled graffiti sprayed onto the base of a bridge is the same as the designers and creators of the bridge?

Judging by your question, I'm guessing that this is not what you see.

no. I didn't know what what the answers would be.

That surprises me. The answers are always one or another of the same handful of possibilities, like the one above - "What inconsistencies?"
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Scriptures involving issues such as:

The order of events:

BEASTS created before man
Genesis 1:25-26
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​

Vs

MAN created before beasts
Genesis 2:7-8...18-19
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man.] He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. 8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in the East, in a place named Eden. He put the man he made in that garden.. . . .

19 18 Then the Lord God said, “I see that it is not good for the man to be alone. I will make the companion he needs, one just right for him.” 19 The Lord God used dust from the ground and made every animal in the fields and every bird in the air. He brought all these animals to the man, and the man gave them all a name.

Difference in fact

Jehoiachin was 18 years old
2 kings 24:8
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.​

Vs

Jehoiachin was 8 years old
2 Chronicles 36:9
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

Perfect nature of god
His way is perfect
2 Samuel 22:31
31 “As for God, his way is perfect: The Lord’s word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him.

His works are perfect
Deuteronomy 32:4
The works of God are perfect, and all his ways are judgments: God is faithful and without any iniquity, he is just and right.

Vs


His mistake in making man
Genesis 6:6
the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

His mistake of making Saul King
1 Samuel 15:11
I regret making Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not performed My commands. And Samuel was grieved and angry [with Saul], and he cried to the Lord all night.

Conflicting translations
Isaiah 45:7
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create ____: I the Lord do all these things.

1. New Living Translation "Bad Times"
2. New International Version "Disaster"
3. King James Version "Evil"
4. New King James Version "Calamity"
5. Complete Jewish Bible "woe"
6. Common English Bible "Doom"
7. New Century Version "troubles"
8. The Message "Discords"
9. Reina Valera 1960 "Adversity"
10. New International Readers Version "Hard Times"

Do you

1.Concede they're there, shrug your shoulders, and continue on with your faith.

2. Claim they can't be issues because the Bible is inerrant, and continue on with your faith.

3. Admit they pose a problem, but can be explained away---even if you personally can't do so---and continue on with your faith.

4. Do your utmost to reconcile each and everyone of them, continuing on with your faith.

5. Say they don't matter because they don't affect the loftier message of the Bible, and continue on with your faith

6. Hate to admit they're quite troublesome and will start examining your beliefs, but continue on with your faith.

7.Thank Skwim for bringing these to your attention, and not continue on with your faith.

.







I just skwim right over those hard verses.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
I read them in the OP.

Besides internal contradictions such as the three enumerated in the OP, the Bible has many examples of failed prophecies, unkept promises, and errors of science and history.

To the impartial, critical thinker, these constitute evidence that the Bible was cobbled together by a collection of people that didn't know as much as we do today and who gave personal opinions that often were in error or contradicted other opinions - not the thoughts of a deity.

Imagine how spectacular a book authored by a superhuman mind would be.

Instead, we have a book with not one sentence that couldn't have been written by someone from the first century. Just about anyone alive today could easily improve on any of the holy books that people still follow. What does it tell us when anyone can improve on the Bible (and Qur'an), but very few can improve a book by Stephen Hawking?

Put another way, what is the likelihood that the source of the Bible is the same as the source of the universe? Just look at them both for your answer. One is a physical system that is immense, powerful, intricate, internally consistent, and far beyond the ability of man to create, whereas the other is just another erroneous holy book.

Wouldn't that be a bit like asking whether the author of misspelled graffiti sprayed onto the base of a bridge is the same as the designers and creators of the bridge?

Judging by your question, I'm guessing that this is not what you see.



That surprises me. The answers are always one or another of the same handful of possibilities, like the one above - "What inconsistencies?"

That's all according to you, which proves nothing.
Had you any knowledge about what the Bible Support's,
You say the beasts were created before man, but seeing man was here long before the beasts were created.

But like I said, you have no knowledge what the Bible will say or what it confirm's.

The beasts were created, before man became flesh and blood. But before this, man was a spirit being. Having no flesh and blood.
Therefore man was before the beasts ever came to be.
That's your lack of not understanding the Bible, what it will say and Supports.

You say, failed Prophecy's , but failed to list any.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
....
Do you

I read them and then separate what Bible actually says and what people claim. And then for example:

1. The order of events:
No contradiction, Genesis 1 speaks about how Elohim created, Genesis 2 tells how God Yahweh formed things from the dust of the earth.

2. Difference in fact
In original Hebrew text the age is the same, and in some translations, it has been translated in same way.

3. Perfect nature of god
No contradiction in the Bible, only in your idea of what should perfect God mean.

4. Conflicting translations
Perhaps we should allow Bible to explain what it means. In the scripture it is first said, light and darkness and then peace and… …what do you think it the opposite… …I would say it is for example troubles.

“Conflict” translations are not a problem, if one stays in truth and wants to understand. If person doesn’t want to remain in truth, and doesn’t want to understand, then all things become problematic. I have no reason to want to see problems that don’t really exist.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I read them and then separate what Bible actually says and what people claim. And then for example:

1. The order of events:
No contradiction, Genesis 1 speaks about how Elohim created, Genesis 2 tells how God Yahweh formed things from the dust of the earth.
Curious, are you saying that Elohim and God Yahweh are different beings?

2. Difference in fact
In original Hebrew text the age is the same, and in some translations, it has been translated in same way.
The "original Hebrew text" you say. This is interesting because

"The original manuscripts and early copies of the Old Testament disappeared over time, because of wars, (especially the destruction of the First and Second Temples), and other intentional destructions. As a result, the lapse of time between the original manuscripts and their surviving copies is much longer than in the case of the New Testament manuscripts."
Source: Wikipedia
Might want to inform the scholars of your find.

In any case, the Hebrew Interlinear Bible (OT) list both ages as I have: 18 and 8.


3. Perfect nature of god
No contradiction in the Bible, only in your idea of what should perfect God mean.
Well, my idea of "perfect" coincides with its common definition,

perfect
1 a : being entirely without fault or defect : flawless
And applied to god it would mean he's entirely without fault or defect. In essence: flawless . However, as the Bible points out by citing his mistakes, he's far from that. So, despite your assertion that there is no contradiction, there is, and unmistakably so.

4. Conflicting translations
Perhaps we should allow Bible to explain what it means. In the scripture it is first said, light and darkness and then peace and… …what do you think it the opposite… …I would say it is for example troubles.
Use whatever standard of legitimacy you wish to bring it in line with your beliefs, but the fact still remains that various translations do conflict. In at least 10 ways in this one verse alone.

1. New Living Translation "Bad Times"
2. New International Version "Disaster"
3. King James Version "Evil"
4. New King James Version "Calamity"
5. Complete Jewish Bible "woe"
6. Common English Bible "Doom"
7. New Century Version "troubles"
8. The Message "Discords"
9. Reina Valera 1960 "Adversity"
10. New International Readers Version "Hard Times"​

I have no reason to want to see problems that don’t really exist.
Nobody should, but then nobody should pretend problems don't exist just to suit their needs, either. Purposeful self deception is nothing to be proud of.

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