Christians: Is Jesus a 'Deity'', to you?

[djhwoodwerks]

John 14:26, has all 3 members of the trinity working in (tri)unity. The "Father" sends the "Holy Spirit" in "Jesus'" name.

John 14:26 (ESV Strong's) 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.


If the Holy Spirit is just Gods active force, His power, and not a separate entity, how does Jesus have control of it? How can Jesus tell part of God what to do? Unless Jesus "is" God.

John 15:26 (ESV Strong's) 26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

John 16:7 (ESV Strong's) 7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

According to Scripture, Jesus did Not resurrect himself - Acts of the Apostles 3:15; Acts of the Apostles 5:30; Colossians 2:12 - God resurrected the dead Jesus.

I see, then Jesus was lying when He said that He would raise Himself, correct?

John 2:18-22 (ESV Strong's) 18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

Whom did "Jesus say" would raise the temple, His body?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I see, then Jesus was lying when He said that He would raise Himself, correct?

John 2:18-22 (ESV Strong's) 18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
Whom did "Jesus say" would raise the temple, His body?

Isn't Jesus making use of an illustration at John 2:18-22 ? _______
Jesus was Not resurrected in his physical body which he gave as a sacrifice ransom for us - Matthew 20:28
However, Jesus' fleshly body did Not decompose into corruption but was disposed of by God, as was the body of Moses.
When resurrected, Jesus was the same person, the same personality, but in a now spirit body made for his heavenly dwelling place.
Who resurrected Jesus according to Acts of the Apostles 3:15; Acts of the Apostles 5:30; Acts of the Apostles 13:30; Acts of the Apostles 13:37; Colossians 2:12; Romans 4:24 ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

John 14:26, has all 3 members of the trinity working in (tri)unity. The "Father" sends the "Holy Spirit" in "Jesus'" name.
John 14:26 (ESV Strong's) 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
If the Holy Spirit is just Gods active force, His power, and not a separate entity, how does Jesus have control of it? How can Jesus tell part of God what to do? Unless Jesus "is" God.
John 15:26 (ESV Strong's) 26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
John 16:7 (ESV Strong's) 7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.

Did you notice John 14:13 ? ______ because Jesus is talking about only the Father being glorified in his name - John 14:26
Who did Jesus say to ask at John 15:16 B ? ________ and John 15:21
Who is the greater one according to John 14:28 ? ______ and John 10:29 ? ______

When we drive a car or steer a ship we are in control of it. Because we are in control does Not make the car or ship a gender but remains a neuter 'it'.
Please notice Numbers 11:17 and Numbers 11:25 because God's spirit is in the neuter ' it '/
God and Jesus are always in the masculine gender but Not God's spirit which God sends - Psalms 104:30
If God's spirit was Not his powerful force wouldn't God's spirit have a heavenly throne ? ________
How many thrones are mentioned at Revelation 3:21 ?
Does the resurrected heavenly ascended-to-heaven Jesus still think he has a God over him according to Revelation 3:12 ? _____

 

[Ingledsva]

Again, you don't have an argument, /in other words, just picking and choosing verses,, I'm not going to argue your fictional 'version' of the narrative. If you are not going to actually contextually use the Bible for arguments, then your arguments have no basis.

I always get a kick out of replies like that one, - when people have no real rebuttal to what I have posted.

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[Desert Snake]

Matthew 28:18
Hebrews 1:7-12

Address these verses, if your'e presenting other verses

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I always get a kick out of replies like that one, - when people have no real rebuttal to what I have posted.

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You haven't presented a contextual argument.

 

[savagewind]

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You haven't presented a contextual argument.

LOL That is all she does 24/7

 

[Desert Snake]

LOL That is all she does 24/7

No..
It's 'contextual', to a fictional narrative. I don't agree with that /and others like it, fictional narratives, for many reasons; and those reasons aren't /don't have to be,, 'religious'.

 

[savagewind]

@syncretic do stand on an opinion or on no opinion?

 

[Desert Snake]

@syncretic do stand on an opinion or on no opinion?

No idea what this means. translate?

 

[savagewind]

No idea what this means. translate?

You seem to be arguing with the lady who says, there is NO real evidence that the one called Jesus Christ ever claimed to be God. You seem to have a different opinion. Do you? Are you confident that the one called Jesus Christ is really God in the flesh?

 

[Desert Snake]

You seem to be arguing with the lady who says, there is NO real evidence that the one called Jesus Christ ever claimed to be God. You seem to have a different opinion. Do you? Are you confident that the one called Jesus Christ is really God in the flesh?

Matthew 28:18

Would it be relevant, since Jesus has all the power of Heaven and Earth, anyway?

That is the difference between an argument presented contextually, and an argument /from the Scripture,, that does nothing to answer the /contextual 'questions/problems'.

 

[savagewind]

Matthew 28:18

Would it be relevant, since Jesus has all the power of Heaven and Earth, anyway?

I agree with you that it is not relevant.

That is the difference between an argument presented contextually, and an argument /from the Scripture,, that does nothing to answer the /contextual 'questions/problems'.

I do not know what this means. I understand what contextual means. How are you defining scripture in that sentence?

 

[Desert Snake]

I agree with you that it is not relevant.

I do not know what this means. I understand what contextual means. How are you defining scripture in that sentence?

New Testament verses, /in this context

 

[savagewind]

New Testament verses, /in this context

Nope. Nothing is happening.

It is my opinion that contextual means to find meaning of any given scripture by the surrounding words, which ARE scripture.

It sounds like to me that you say, That is the difference between an argument presented contextually, and an argument /from the Scripture, [context], that does nothing to answer the /contextual 'questions/problems'.

 

[savagewind]

Here is the context that I read regarding arguments about Christ's divinity. 2 Timothy 2:14

 

[Desert Snake]

Nope. Nothing is happening.

It is my opinion that contextual means to find meaning of any given scripture by the surrounding words, which ARE scripture.

It sounds like to me that you say, That is the difference between an argument presented contextually, and an argument /from the Scripture, [context], that does nothing to answer the /contextual 'questions/problems'.

Yes. Same meaning. In other words, if you're presenting verses from a set of Books, as an argument, or making a claim regarding those books /the context/, then, of course it all has to be considered.

 

[savagewind]

Yes. Same meaning. In other words, if you're presenting verses from a set of Books, as an argument, or making a claim regarding those books /the context/, then, of course it all has to be considered.

I think the both sides do that.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Did you notice John 14:13 ? ______ because Jesus is talking about only the Father being glorified in his name - John 14:26

So, the Son glorifies the Father, and the Fathers Spirit glorifies the Son, the Trinity in action again.

John 14:13 (ESV Strong's) 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 16:13-15 (ESV Strong's) 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Who is the greater one according to John 14:28 ? ______ and John 10:29 ? ______

First off, Who is speaking these things? The flesh and blood, "human" Jesus, of course the Father is greater than a human, right?

John 14:28 (ESV Strong's) 28 You heard me say to you, I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Philippians 2:5-8 (ESV Strong's) 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.



Why leave out vss 28 and 30? Jesus said in vs 28, "no one will snatch them out of My hand" and vs 30 He says "I and the Father are One". It's not good to pick one verse out of context to try and prove a false idea.

John 10:27-30 (ESV Strong's) 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So, the Son glorifies the Father, and the Fathers Spirit glorifies the Son, the Trinity in action again.
John 14:13 (ESV Strong's) 13 Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 16:13-15 (ESV Strong's) 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
First off, Who is speaking these things? The flesh and blood, "human" Jesus, of course the Father is greater than a human, right?
John 14:28 (ESV Strong's) 28 You heard me say to you, I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Philippians 2:5-8 (ESV Strong's) 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Why leave out vss 28 and 30? Jesus said in vs 28, "no one will snatch them out of My hand" and vs 30 He says "I and the Father are One". It's not good to pick one verse out of context to try and prove a false idea.
John 10:27-30 (ESV Strong's) 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

First of all, we know the ancient manuscripts were Not written in English.
Some translations changed the words ' it' and ' itself ' into the masculine gender when 'it' and 'itself ' is neuter.
God and Jesus are always in the masculine gender and never referred to as being its or itself.
What does Strong's say at Numbers 11:17 and Numbers 11:25 about God's spirit 'it' ?
KJV translated God's spirit as 'itself ' at Romans 8:16 and Romans 8:26 which is in harmony with the manuscripts.
Isn't God's spirit inanimate at Isaiah 40:12-13 ?_______
Can a person be poured out - Isaiah 44:3, as if a person is, or compares to, water ?______
Rather, never filled with a person - Acts of the Apostles 4:8; Acts of the Apostles 9:17; Acts of the Apostles 13:9; Acts of the Apostles 11:24