Christians: Is Jesus a 'Deity'', to you?

[Muffled]

I saw a Latin flash card that said 'often' means: 'seldom'. Any thoughts ?

I believe my D- in Latin was well earned but I don't ever remember seeing a latin word "often" but there is the English word. I believe the translation for non sequitur is not follow as in the English word sequence.

 

[viole]

I believe that is different. You can know something that exists. Knowing something that doesn't exist means you know nothing ie it is nothing because it doesn't exist. However that is very difficult because even if something is not real it still has an existence like Mickey Mouse for instance. If something like God has been mentioned it has an existence. The question then becomes: Is it real or not?

I do not agree. You confuse knowledge with certainty.

I am not certain that there are no violations of a certain law, for instance that gravity is always attractive. But that is not sufficient to justify agnosticism about the properties of gravity. Things like scientific knowledge, for instance, make sense. Scientific certainty less so.

Ergo, I know that gravity is always attractive, which entails that I know that violations thereof do not exist. Therefore, I can positively claim the non existence of violation of the law of gravity. And since violations of naturalism have the same epistemological value in my mind as violations of gravity, I can positively claim to know that naturalism is true, and therefore, to know that there are no gods.

Ciao

- viole

 

[ukok102nak]

its only natural to choose
whether to accept it or not to accept it
as they say
like the first time we saw
a duck with a shirt but without a pants
on a box in technicolour style
and that's unacceptable
unto everyone of us
cause if our memory serves us right
we only have this thing that they called now
a television without a remote control
(black and white version and the pixel were almost the same as that electric scope before) and
it was during the late eighteist → by :haha:

. ... but what's best after this is we learn that the only begotten son of god
christjesus is the lord and saviour
of our's until the time comes . ...

. ... by the way
the one who says "me no believe in gods but im not a liar"
is my senior (for he's a former agnostic but he never left his knowledge nor some of his belief in agnoticism especially his family and friends and the very nature
that is within him until now) and he is one of the best there is
but
still :smoke: is one of the greatest . ...


:ty:



godbless
unto all always

This question is directed at Christians, however any Jesus adherents can answer, if it pertains to their beliefs.
/Is Jesus a 'Deity'?
/Is Jesus a 'different' Deity, from God, or the father?
/Is Jesus 'half man, half deity?
/Is Jesus a 'deified human', yet not a Deity?
/If Jesus is separate from the 'father', how is He 'G-d?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Ok, however, Elohim, is used alone, as a designator of 'God'. So, not sure how you have the conclusion that it doesn't actually mean 'Lord God'.
The Hebrew is inferring the 'same thing' as the translation.
Personally, I would prefer an /English Scripture, that just leaves the titles, in a transliterated form, as opposed to a 'translation'. Example, JHVH.
// some Bibles do employ that method

Elohim ( a title for the word God ) is Not the Tetragrammaton.(YHWH/ JHVH)
Adhonai ( a title word for Sovereign Lord ) is Not the Tetragrammaton (YHWH/JHVH)

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Anyone have comments about Mark 10:18 ?_______

easy not a mark fan

 

[URAVIP2ME]

easy not a mark fan

How can a person be a Christian and Not be a Mark fan ? - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Is it because it is taught by Christendom that Mark 16 does Not end at verse 8 ? ______
After Mark 16:8 the style of writing changes from the rest of Mark.
Both Jerome and Eusebius agreed Mark 16 ended at verse 8.
There are No corresponding reference verses after verse 8 as there is with the rest of Mark.
The Sinaitic and Vatican 1209 manuscripts omit the verses after verse 8.
So, the verses after verse 8 are spurious verses and Not part of the all Scripture inspired by God.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

How can a person be a Christian and Not be a Mark fan ? - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Is it because it is taught by Christendom that Mark 16 does Not end at verse 8 ? ______
After Mark 16:8 the style of writing changes from the rest of Mark.
Both Jerome and Eusebius agreed Mark 16 ended at verse 8.
There are No corresponding reference verses after verse 8 as there is with the rest of Mark.
The Sinaitic and Vatican 1209 manuscripts omit the verses after verse 8.
So, the verses after verse 8 are spurious verses and Not part of the all Scripture inspired by God.

Okay is if scripture is good for reproof I like the more honest scriptures that don't meltdown ALL so quick against the resurrection. And also how many different endings do you need? There are parts in mark I can say have a bit of some pieces in it that relate. Also the writings of mark will give you Islam.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Okay is if scripture is good for reproof I like the more honest scriptures that don't meltdown ALL so quick against the resurrection. And also how many different endings do you need? There are parts in mark I can say have a bit of some pieces in it that relate. Also the writings of mark will give you Islam.

Which melt-down verses against the resurrection do you have in mind ?
Every resurrection that Jesus performed brought people back to happy-and-healthy physical life on Earth.
Jesus was giving us a preview, or a coming attraction, of what he will be doing on a grand-global scale during his coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.- Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
Who inherits the Earth according to Matthew 5:5 ? _______
Since there are cross-reference verses and passages in Mark with the rest of the Scriptures, how does Mark alone give us Islam ?

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Which melt-down verses against the resurrection do you have in mind ?
Every resurrection that Jesus performed brought people back to happy-and-healthy physical life on Earth.
Jesus was giving us a preview, or a coming attraction, of what he will be doing on a grand-global scale during his coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.- Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
Who inherits the Earth according to Matthew 5:5 ? _______
Since there are cross-reference verses and passages in Mark with the rest of the Scriptures, how does Mark alone give us Islam ?[/Qoute}
Quran and the Gospel of mark.

16:1-2, Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, and Salome bring spices to the tomb on resurrection morning. They see the empty tomb with the young man who tells them Jesus is not there. Then they ran off and were afraid. So the short version ends.

Then Mark 16:9 begins (the common, longer ending), but it doesn’t pick up where verse 8 ended. It jumps back in the story and tells us that Mary Magdalene came to the tomb on resurrection morning and Jesus showed himself to her. Not only does it repeat what we thought we just read, but it now tells us that Jesus actually appeared to Mary Magdalene

satan against satan his kingdom shall end. (God Cant Jesus Cant Do that) What?You cant say Jesus is God or that he Jesus is good so its a double wammy, to replace yours with theirs, to replace your God and you cant even say Jesus Christ is good so how can he have power over it... remember so they're gonna try to replace it with a prophet, and all different God that doesn't have anything to do Christ. By their counter reason is to take out Christ.. Who is satan to you or to them. Well here we go again with some scribes and we check first.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Which melt-down verses against the resurrection do you have in mind ?
Every resurrection that Jesus performed brought people back to happy-and-healthy physical life on Earth.
Jesus was giving us a preview, or a coming attraction, of what he will be doing on a grand-global scale during his coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.- Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
Who inherits the Earth according to Matthew 5:5 ? _______
Since there are cross-reference verses and passages in Mark with the rest of the Scriptures, how does Mark alone give us Islam ?

16:1-2, Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, and Salome bring spices to the tomb on resurrection morning. They see the empty tomb with the young man who tells them Jesus is not there. Then they ran off and were afraid. So the short version ends.

Then Mark 16:9 begins (the common, longer ending), but it doesn’t pick up where verse 8 ended. It jumps back in the story and tells us that Mary Magdalene came to the tomb on resurrection morning and Jesus showed himself to her. Not only does it repeat what we thought we just read, but it now tells us that Jesus actually appeared to Mary Magdalene

satan against satan his kingdom shall end. (God Cant Jesus Cant Do that) What?You cant say Jesus is God or that he Jesus is good so its a double wammy, to replace yours with theirs, to replace your God and you cant even say Jesus Christ is good so how can he have power over it... remember so they're gonna try to replace it with a prophet, and all different God that doesn't have anything to do Christ. By their counter reason is to take out Christ.. Who is satan to you or to them. Well here we go again with some scribes and we check first.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

16:1-2, Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, and Salome bring spices to the tomb on resurrection morning. They see the empty tomb with the young man who tells them Jesus is not there. Then they ran off and were afraid. So the short version ends.

Then Mark 16:9 begins (the common, longer ending), but it doesn’t pick up where verse 8 ended. It jumps back in the story and tells us that Mary Magdalene came to the tomb on resurrection morning and Jesus showed himself to her. Not only does it repeat what we thought we just read, but it now tells us that Jesus actually appeared to Mary Magdalene
satan against satan his kingdom shall end. (God Cant Jesus Cant Do that) What?You cant say Jesus is God or that he Jesus is good so its a double wammy, to replace yours with theirs, to replace your God and you cant even say Jesus Christ is good so how can he have power over it... remember so they're gonna try to replace it with a prophet, and all different God that doesn't have anything to do Christ. By their counter reason is to take out Christ.. Who is satan to you or to them. Well here we go again with some scribes and we check first.

Please keep in mind Mark chapter 16 definitely ends as verse 8.
Because after verse 8 are the spurious add-on verses. Not part of Mark's original gospel account.
The style of writing changes after verse 8 thus showing it was written by a different person.
The verses after verse 8 are Not found in all ancient manuscripts.
Jerome and Eusebius agreed the gospel account of Mark ends at 16:8
The Bible has corresponding cross-reference verses and passages. After verse 8 we do not find that to be the case.
So, originally the common gospel account by Mark stops or ends at Mark 16:8

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

16:1-2, Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, and Salome bring spices to the tomb on resurrection morning. They see the empty tomb with the young man who tells them Jesus is not there. Then they ran off and were afraid. So the short version ends.

Then Mark 16:9 begins (the common, longer ending), but it doesn’t pick up where verse 8 ended. It jumps back in the story and tells us that Mary Magdalene came to the tomb on resurrection morning and Jesus showed himself to her. Not only does it repeat what we thought we just read, but it now tells us that Jesus actually appeared to Mary Magdalene

satan against satan his kingdom shall end. (God Cant Jesus Cant Do that) What?You cant say Jesus is God or that he Jesus is good so its a double wammy, to replace yours with theirs, to replace your God and you cant even say Jesus Christ is good so how can he have power over it... remember so they're gonna try to replace it with a prophet, and all different God that doesn't have anything to do Christ. By their counter reason is to take out Christ.. Who is satan to you or to them. Well here we go again with some scribes and we check first.

Please keep in mind Mark chapter 16 definitely ends as verse 8.
Because after verse 8 are the spurious add-on verses. Not part of Mark's original gospel account.
The style of writing changes after verse 8 thus showing it was written by a different person.
The verses after verse 8 are Not found in all ancient manuscripts.
Jerome and Eusebius agreed the gospel account of Mark ends at 16:8
The Bible has corresponding cross-reference verses and passages. After verse 8 we do not find that to be the case.
So, originally the common gospel account by Mark stops or ends at Mark 16:8

Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.a]'>[ So they said nothing to anyone? And then before I left they were already ready to assume even in various circles that they were body snatchers, This before we had influx of Islam also I noticed strange circles of those converting to Hebrew roots movements and such Saturn forms and such.. I'm not saying theres no truth in mark its what's going on..that I look to understand the reproof..

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.a]'>[ So they said nothing to anyone? And then before I left they were already ready to assume even in various circles that they were body snatchers, This before we had influx of Islam also I noticed strange circles of those converting to Hebrew roots movements and such Saturn forms and such.. I'm not saying theres no truth in mark its what's going on..that I look to understand the reproof..

Its good to reproof I guess but you cant say Jesus is good either uh? I haven't gone into the qunram yet.

 

[savagewind]

Its good to reproof I guess but you cant say Jesus is good either uh? I haven't gone into the qunram yet.

Do you realize that you are talking to yourself?

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Do you realize that you are talking to yourself?

lol

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Please keep in mind Mark chapter 16 definitely ends as verse 8.
Because after verse 8 are the spurious add-on verses. Not part of Mark's original gospel account.
The style of writing changes after verse 8 thus showing it was written by a different person.
The verses after verse 8 are Not found in all ancient manuscripts.
Jerome and Eusebius agreed the gospel account of Mark ends at 16:8
The Bible has corresponding cross-reference verses and passages. After verse 8 we do not find that to be the case.
So, originally the common gospel account by Mark stops or ends at Mark 16:8

Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.a]'>[ So they said nothing to anyone? And then before I left they were already ready to assume even in various circles that they were body snatchers, This before we had influx of Islam also I noticed strange circles of those converting to Hebrew roots movements and such Saturn forms and such.. I'm not saying theres no truth in mark its what's going on..that I look to understand the reproof..
And before someone made known to me that I was posting to myself.
Its good to reproof I guess but you cant say Jesus is good either uh? I haven't gone into the qumran yet.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.a]'>[ So they said nothing to anyone? And then before I left they were already ready to assume even in various circles that they were body snatchers, This before we had influx of Islam also I noticed strange circles of those converting to Hebrew roots movements and such Saturn forms and such.. I'm not saying theres no truth in mark its what's going on..that I look to understand the reproof..

Apparently Mark 16:5-7; Mark 16:8 is about the women seeing and hearing an angel.
One of the angels speaks to them and tells them to tell the disciples - Matthew 28:5-7; Luke 24:9-11; John 20:2-18
The women tell the disciples Jesus is risen, but they do Not tell that the information came from an angel because of their trembling and overwhelmed with emotions, so they said nothing to anyone about the angels.
The resurrected Jesus also appears and gives them instructions at Matthew 28:9-10

Also, remember the promise God made to father Abraham was that through his ' seed ' (offspring) 'Isaac' the blessing would come.
No where does it say ' seeds' (plural) as to be including Ishmael (Islam)

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Apparently Mark 16:5-7; Mark 16:8 is about the women seeing and hearing an angel.
One of the angels speaks to them and tells them to tell the disciples - Matthew 28:5-7; Luke 24:9-11; John 20:2-18
The women tell the disciples Jesus is risen, but they do Not tell that the information came from an angel because of their trembling and overwhelmed with emotions, so they said nothing to anyone about the angels.
The resurrected Jesus also appears and gives them instructions at Matthew 28:9-10

Also, remember the promise God made to father Abraham was that through his ' seed ' (offspring) 'Isaac' the blessing would come.
No where does it say ' seeds' (plural) as to be including Ishmael (Islam)

it wouldn't be a softer area I guess just to say they were scared to speak of the angel.
2...I haven't touched on old testament scribes and conjecture. Do you think its possible that they don't have to remain in islam??

 

[URAVIP2ME]

it wouldn't be a softer area I guess just to say they were scared to speak of the angel.
2...I haven't touched on old testament scribes and conjecture. Do you think its possible that they don't have to remain in islam??

The old testament scribes (as in meaning Bible writers) were never part of Islam, but Hebrew scribes recording the old Hebrew Scriptures.
So, old testament writings as taught by Jesus was Not conjecture. Jesus used logical reasoning of the old Hebrew Scriptures to teach us.
Jesus came to fulfill God's promise (through Isaac) that All families of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3
and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 22:18.
Blessed with healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Mankind, through Christ, will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' ( everlasting life on Earth ) for the healing of earth's nations.
During Jesus' coming 1,000-year rulership over Earth: No one will say, " I am sick......" - Isaiah 33:24
Enemy death will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
So, because of the future physical resurrection, No old testament Islamic scribes will have to remain in Islam.
- Acts of the Apostles 24:15; Romans 6:7

 

[Muffled]

I do not agree. You confuse knowledge with certainty.

I am not certain that there are no violations of a certain law, for instance that gravity is always attractive. But that is not sufficient to justify agnosticism about the properties of gravity. Things like scientific knowledge, for instance, make sense. Scientific certainty less so.

Ergo, I know that gravity is always attractive, which entails that I know that violations thereof do not exist. Therefore, I can positively claim the non existence of violation of the law of gravity. And since violations of naturalism have the same epistemological value in my mind as violations of gravity, I can positively claim to know that naturalism is true, and therefore, to know that there are no gods.

Ciao

- viole

I believe I should be ROFLMAO. Did you flunk logic? That is a non-sequitur for sure.

I believe little is known about gravity. we know that there are attractions and repulsions. For instance neutrons and protons tend to stick together and even electrons will associate with a nucleus by a loose attractive force. (they can be drawn off it seems). We know that magnets have an attractive force (it seems like magic) However magnets can repulse as well. So if gravity is like magnetism then it is just as likely that there can be repulsion as attraction. Perhaps Einstein had something to say about gravity being warped but I don't remember exactly.