Christians...is sexual attraction a choice?

[Saint Frankenstein]

When I responded it was already in General Religious Debates.

No, it wasn't. It was in the Christian DIR when you first responded to it. I saw it there, as I was watching the thread since it was created.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

When it comes to homosexuality, there seems to be two primary points of view: You are either born this way, or you choose it. I am convinced that it is not a choice and that almost anyone can be convinced its not a choice in very short order. Are there any Christians here who still think its a choice?

I think it can be a choice, but most homosexuals are born with a trait or traits that express as homosexuality.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@Unveiled Artist you are saying that I shouldn't use a word that the Bible uses because its offensive to people who associate the words with discrimination? Is that what you're saying?

If I quote the Bible, which as a Christian is my only source of reference, then I will use the words that are contained in that book because I am not at liberty to change them for the sake of being politically correct. I can't find the "N" word in the Bible, nor can I find racism against people of color. I do find false worship mentioned, but not "trailer trash" or any allusion to such people. I will just tell it like it is. Those who wish to take offense will, no matter how I phrase it.

If I am going to give my views on what forms the basis for my beliefs, then "homosexual" is the translation of the original words.....which mean "Sodomite" (those who practice anal sex) and "effeminate" which denotes a male who wears soft clothing like a woman. Both passive and active partners in homosexual acts are referred to in those terms. Those who act, and those who submit to the act, are equally guilty of sin in the eyes of the Creator. I cannot change that to facilitate a better response from those who fit that description. That is not my job....my job is to inform those who are interested about what the Bible says, without 'tip toeing' around the issue. In Israel, under God's Law this was a capital offense. I can't change that either.
Those who are not interested in what the Bible says can simply ignore my comments. That is their prerogative.

I am really sick of the whole "gay" thing to tell you the truth, (they destroyed a perfectly good word IMO) and I wish everyone would just stop talking about it. No amount of talking is going to change God's opinion on this issue, or change the minds of those who wish to engage in the lifestyle. It will never be "normal" to me because sex has a noble purpose and 'gay sex' has no place in that. We only have gender for reproductive purposes, there is no other reason for it, which means it was not given to simply enjoy it for pleasure alone.....that is my opinion.

To see these disgusting displays such as the one we have in Sydney every year, turns my stomach TBH. What would happen if "straight" people held such parades, openly expressing and promoting lewd sexual practices in public...and proud of it? What on earth would persuade a family to attend such a gathering with their young children? It would not be so offensive if it was not so openly sexual.

It's like my saying all JW are X because I saw it on television, heard people's stories, and read them online. I actually met and talk with other JW and some people actually nice.

So much for stereotypes?

You don't have to reply to the other post. This is basically my overall point.

However, I guess I'd feel the same as you if my book justified my calling JW mean people akin to murderers... that or I can choose my words wisely.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It is nice to see you again...thank you for reading me...I have not met a man intimately yet that seems to have a choice about relaxing his hard-on without my help. OMG! I am NOT bragging. I just have learned irrelevantly that a man and his penis are one. Is it not so?

We are supposed to be able to control ourselves, but even if I don't follow its lead, it still points out its interest.

 

[Jainarayan]

I'm not completely convinced of this.
I think what you're saying is mostly true, but I've also seen documentaries about straight men in gay porn. Now, you can certainly argue that they're not actually straight, and I suspect that is commonly true. However, there is a mechanical element to us, and if they 'shut their eyes and think of England', so to speak...I mean...I think it's possible.

You’re right, there is “gay for pay”. Some guys can convince themselves of anything. I knew someone who was not shy about saying he was happy to be serviced by either a man or a woman. His rationale... a stiff **** [the filter didn’t catch it, I self-censored] has no prejudices. I occasionally read personal accounts from men who say they simply enjoy certain sex acts with other men but would never consider a relationship with another man... they claim to be straight. From the things they write, I tend to believe them. The point is, I think, we can’t paint human sexuality with just two brushes.

 

[Moonjuice]

Okay, but the facts seem to indicate that since one's taste in food is more mental and less genetic; therefore they could be changed through ... therapy perhaps. I don't know. I'm just saying that it seems changeable.

Maybe taste is not a great example. I know my own tastes have certainly changed over the years for sure. Though foods that I find repulsive, I’ve always found repulsive. Even if they start to taste less than repulsive, can’t see how that could turn to loving the taste. What I find sexually attractive hasn’t changed much, other than age. Certainly can’t imagine any scenario where I could find men sexually attractive. Not sure how to spell that dry heaving sound, but insert that here.

 

[Moonjuice]

You’re right, there is “gay for pay”. Some guys can convince themselves of anything. I knew someone who was not shy about saying he was happy to be serviced by either a man or a woman. His rationale... a stiff **** [the filter didn’t catch it, I self-censored] has no prejudices. I occasionally read personal accounts from men who say they simply enjoy certain sex acts with other men but would never consider a relationship with another man... they claim to be straight. From the things they write, I tend to believe them. The point is, I think, we can’t paint human sexuality with just two brushes.

That dude is clearly bisexual.

 

[Jainarayan]

No, it wasn't. It was in the Christian DIR when you first responded to it. I saw it there, as I was watching the thread since it was created.

Others disagree with you for a couple of reasons. But feel free to report it.

 

[Jainarayan]

That dude is clearly bisexual.

You’ve met him? There’s an inordinate amount of judgement and pontificating from some who are least qualified to do that. Wouldn’t you agree? I thought so.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Others disagree with you for a couple of reasons. But feel free to report it.

I didn't report it when it was in the Christian DIR, so what would be the point of reporting it now?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm not completely convinced of this.
I think what you're saying is mostly true, but I've also seen documentaries about straight men in gay porn. Now, you can certainly argue that they're not actually straight, and I suspect that is commonly true. However, there is a mechanical element to us, and if they 'shut their eyes and think of England', so to speak...I mean...I think it's possible.

If you're a top, it's not gay. That's long been a code among many macho guys who would never identify as bisexual or gay, and have the hetero history to show otherwise.

 

[Jainarayan]

I didn't report it when it was in the Christian DIR, so what would be the point of reporting it now?

Then you have no cause to run your mouth about it now because it’s moot, other than to stir something up, right?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Then you have no cause to run your mouth about it now because it’s moot, other than to stir something up, right?

I was just sharing what I saw. No reason to get angry with me.

 

[Jainarayan]

I was just sharing what I saw. No reason to get angry with me.

There was no reason to share it after the fact when you say you were following it from the beginning. You had your chance before the move. What’s the point of “sharing” it 24 or 48 hours later?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

If you're a top, it's not gay. That's long been a code among many macho guys who would never identify as bisexual or gay, and have the hetero history to show otherwise.

Yup, that seems a common line of thinking.
Working out for how many its absolute truth...I mean, how would you tell? People themselves may not really know.
But I think there is some truth there somewhere.

Read this as the relatively ignorant opinion of a straight, middle-aged man...lol

 

[Moonjuice]

You’ve met him? There’s an inordinate amount of judgement and pontificating from some who are least qualified to do that. Wouldn’t you agree? I thought so.

I think the definition of bisexual includes enjoying sexual acts with both sexes. I suppose in your world, bisexual means something else?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I don not know if these articles will be of interest to anyone, but here are a few links to some research on the subject of sexual choice.

http://www.gruberpeplab.com/teaching/psych3303_spring2018/documents/13.1_Chivers2004.pdf

http://faculty.bennington.edu/~sherman/sex/female-twin-lesbian.pdf

 

[Jainarayan]

I think the definition of bisexual includes enjoying sexual acts with both sexes. I suppose in your world, bisexual means something else?

My world? What would “my world” be? Do you know how many categories and subcategories of sexuality there are in “my world”? Not just bisexual. It’s not either/or.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

My world? What would “my world” be? Do you know how many categories and subcategories of sexuality there are in “my world”? Not just bisexual. It’s not either/or.

I am confused. I thought we all lived on just this one world. How did he find out you were from somewhere out there?

 

[Jainarayan]

I am confused. I thought we all lived on just this one world. How did he find out you were from somewhere out there?

I don’t know. My family always said I’m outta this world.