(Christians only) Did Jesus Dead on the Cross has Put an End to God's Law?

[Pipiripi]

Yes, No sin in Heaven, yes, Heaven is God's home ( 1 Kings 8:39)
Jesus located or positioned his God in Heaven ' Our Father which art in Heaven......'
However, Jesus did Not teach to pray for Heaven to come, nor to go up to Heaven.
Jesus did Not teach to be ' taken up ' to the kingdom, Nor teach to be ' taken away ' to the kingdom.
Rather, Jesus taught to pray for God's kingdom ' to come.......' - (Daniel 2:44)
This is also why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev.22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and bring the kingdom blessing benefit of ' healing ' for earth's nations as mentioned at Revelation 22:2
' Healing ' for earth and humanity as described at Isaiah 35th chapter.

Since the old Constitution of the Mosaic Law for the Jews ended in the first century - Romans 10:4 - then Jesus' NEW 'law' or commandment went into effect.
Jesus' NEW commandment is found at John 13:34-35.

What was ended was the sacrifices till Jesus has wake up from the death.
Read the book of Hebrews my friend.

 

[MonkeyFire]

I believe Jesus was saved in the quran, and the devil has no purpose in Heaven, temptation is devil dog. For pacifism to reign in triumph is the nature of glory.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

My friend Jesus says to the apostle that the kingdom is next them and in them. That means that at that moment Jesus was with them and teaching them. And when Jesus was return to heaven, He have sent the Holy Spirit that represents Jesus Himself. That means that the Holy Spirit is Jesus own Spirit. Not an other being.
Question: Jesus says: "THINK NOT or DON'T THINK". Matthew 5:17-18. Why are you still THINKING the opposite?
We have to choose which teaching we followed. What Jesus says or what Jesus didn't say.

Huh? I find Jesus was speaking to none other than those hate-filled Pharisees at Luke 17:20-21.
So, to say that Jesus was speaking to the apostle that the kingdom is next them and in them is a wrong religious teaching.
What was within them those Pharisees of verses 20-21 was what Jesus said at Mark 7:20-23.
Only AFTER Jesus addresses the Pharisees of Luke 17:20-21 then in verse 22 Jesus addresses his followers.
Please note what Jesus says to his followers at Luke 19:11-15 that the kingdom would NOT immediately or instantly appear.
So, it seems to me someone has misguided your friend about what the Bible really teaches.

Yes, I agree with Matthew 5:17 that Jesus came to fulfill the Law which he did according to Romans 10:4.
Heaven (God's home) and Earth (our home ) is permanent - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B that Earth abides forever.
So, Matthew 5:18 underscores how impossible it is that the Law would be un-fulfilled.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

........................... For pacifism to reign in triumph is the nature of glory.

Huh? Jesus was No pacifist. Jesus is King ( ruler ) of God's kingdom government - Daniel 2:44; Daniel 7:13-14.
Jesus reigns in triumph as king of God's theocratic kingdom for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
Jesus soon coming ' glory time ' as King is soon ahead of us - Matthew 25:31-33, 34,40.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You are completely wrong. When Jesus starting to speak about the laws, is after Matthew 5:1-12, then 5:13-16 and least is about the laws. This part has nothing to do to the other teachings.

Matthew 5:17-20
17. The books of LAWS, and the PROPHETS. Meanings: LAWS: The 5 books of Moses. Prophets: The BIBLE.
18. The earth and the heavens are still today. And one day it will be destroyed with the fire of heaven.
19. If we DON'T KEEP. And if we KEEP.
2O.If we DON'T KEEP, better than the pharisees and the DOCTOR OF LAW. WE CANNOT ENTER GOD'S KINGDOM.
The Bible interpreted itself my friend.
The problem is that nobody let the Bible guide them. They are following men's teachings. It is a FEW that open their heart and mind for Jesus to entered and clean up the wrong doctrine from the tradition of men.

Well it's evidence that you have no clue or idea what your talking about.

Matthew 5:1-19..is all about the law of the kingdom of heaven..

And not one word is found about the
10 commandment law.

 

[Pipiripi]

Huh? I find Jesus was speaking to none other than those hate-filled Pharisees at Luke 17:20-21.
So, to say that Jesus was speaking to the apostle that the kingdom is next them and in them is a wrong religious teaching.
What was within them those Pharisees of verses 20-21 was what Jesus said at Mark 7:20-23.
Only AFTER Jesus addresses the Pharisees of Luke 17:20-21 then in verse 22 Jesus addresses his followers.
Please note what Jesus says to his followers at Luke 19:11-15 that the kingdom would NOT immediately or instantly appear.
So, it seems to me someone has misguided your friend about what the Bible really teaches.

Yes, I agree with Matthew 5:17 that Jesus came to fulfill the Law which he did according to Romans 10:4.
Heaven (God's home) and Earth (our home ) is permanent - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B that Earth abides forever.
So, Matthew 5:18 underscores how impossible it is that the Law would be un-fulfilled.

Read Isaiah 65:17, 66:22. 2Peter 3:13.
Revelation 21:1. Are those verses doesn't make you see that what we living now are going to burn out?

Do this heaven and earth has PASSED away? Or we are living still on it waiting for Jesus second return?

Jesus says: "THINK NOT!! And I don't think. Matthew 5:17-18.

 

[Pipiripi]

Well it's evidence that you have no clue or idea what your talking about.

Matthew 5:1-19..is all about the law of the kingdom of heaven..

And not one word is found about the
10 commandment law.

What is Law, and prophet for you? Who has wrote the laws? Who have read the laws for the people?

 

[Pipiripi]

Huh? I find Jesus was speaking to none other than those hate-filled Pharisees at Luke 17:20-21.
So, to say that Jesus was speaking to the apostle that the kingdom is next them and in them is a wrong religious teaching.
What was within them those Pharisees of verses 20-21 was what Jesus said at Mark 7:20-23.
Only AFTER Jesus addresses the Pharisees of Luke 17:20-21 then in verse 22 Jesus addresses his followers.
Please note what Jesus says to his followers at Luke 19:11-15 that the kingdom would NOT immediately or instantly appear.
So, it seems to me someone has misguided your friend about what the Bible really teaches.

Yes, I agree with Matthew 5:17 that Jesus came to fulfill the Law which he did according to Romans 10:4.
Heaven (God's home) and Earth (our home ) is permanent - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B that Earth abides forever.
So, Matthew 5:18 underscores how impossible it is that the Law would be un-fulfilled.

My friend Romans 10:4 Jesus has shown us the true meaning of it. Because they have come with traditions in the Commandments. They are the same 10 Commandments but not with an eye for an eye, but if someone hit you in your face, let them hit you also the other side. The rules have changed NOT THE LAWS.

 

[wellwisher]

Law divides human behavior into right and wrong, and good and evil. Law is connected to the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden. This tree was occupied by Satan. This tree was not to be eaten of. Law is connected to original sin.

Law is a unique form of neural memory. It is not found in nature. Law of good and evil creates a polarization within the human mind that is not natural. Law is like a two sided coin with one side labeled good and the other sided label evil. If we flip a coin, when it land we can only see one side at a time. The other side remains part of the coin but is hidden.

With law even if you do good, the bad side of the coin is still part of the law memory. We need to know both sides to do good and avoid evil. One side becomes hidden causing evil to become unconscious. This is why the self righteous, who outwardly obey the law, can become cruel and intolerant; unconscious compulsion from the hidden flip side of the coin. Law is not natural.

Law was useful in terms of helping humans develop will power and choice. One can use law to learn to choose which side of the law coin will be up, good or evil. However, since this two sided coins perpetuates knowledge of both good and evil and that other side becomes unconscious, evil can be spawned from good; ends justified the means.. For example, the spying on Trump Campaign in 2016 is still justified as good by the left and media even though spying was illegal and therefore evil by the law. The confusion between conscious and unconscious choices; two sided coin, can mess with the mind.

Jesus saw this polarization caused by the tree of knowledge and Satan. The unconscious dark side caused the Pharisees to condemn an innocent man in the name of law. Jesus taught faith instead of law. Faith is similar to animal instinct where the animal acts on impulse, without needing to assess good and evil based on cultural norms. This approach is the tree of life. Jesus is said it is not yes and no, but yes in him; psychological polarization is healed.

With the charisma of faith and the tree of life, decisions become very similar to the good side of the law, since nature is basically good. But there is no unconscious evil lurking below the threshold of consciousness created by law. Law was sort of a prosthesis to help create a contrasting scaffolding, so the good could be seen and understood. Jesus removed the prosthesis of evil; contrast, so only the good was left through faith. Law is not good, only the good side of law is good. Law is good and evil.

 

[Faithofchristian]

What is Law, and prophet for you? Who has wrote the laws? Who have read the laws for the people?

Had you known
Matthew 5:17--" think not that I have come to destroy the law or the Prophets:
I am not to come but to fulfill"

The Lord Jesus Christ did just that fulfilled the law and the Prophets.

The Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law of the kingdom of heaven also..
By keeping the law of the kingdom of heaven himself.
Thereby giving the law of the kingdom of heaven to those people that were with himself In Matthew 5::1-2.
1--"And seeing the multitude he went up into a mountain and when he was set , his disciples came into him"

2--"And he open his mouth and taught them, saying, Blessed are the poor in spirit it, for their is the kingdom of heaven"

Notice in Verse 1 that Jesus is went up into a mountain and given the people of Israel the law of the kingdom of heaven.

Note also that Moses went up into a mountain and given the people of Israel God's 10 commandment law.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Huh? Jesus was No pacifist. Jesus is King ( ruler ) of God's kingdom government - Daniel 2:44; Daniel 7:13-14.
Jesus reigns in triumph as king of God's theocratic kingdom for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
Jesus soon coming ' glory time ' as King is soon ahead of us - Matthew 25:31-33, 34,40.

If Jesus weren't passive then the whole universe would be murdered. If God created hurt, then he created his own suffering and he could have bad karma for this.

 

[Pipiripi]

Had you known
Matthew 5:17--" think not that I have come to destroy the law or the Prophets:
I am not to come but to fulfill"

The Lord Jesus Christ did just that fulfilled the law and the Prophets.

The Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law of the kingdom of heaven also..
By keeping the law of the kingdom of heaven himself.
Thereby giving the law of the kingdom of heaven to those people that were with himself In Matthew 5::1-2.
1--"And seeing the multitude he went up into a mountain and when he was set , his disciples came into him"

2--"And he open his mouth and taught them, saying, Blessed are the poor in spirit it, for their is the kingdom of heaven"

Notice in Verse 1 that Jesus is went up into a mountain and given the people of Israel the law of the kingdom of heaven.

Note also that Moses went up into a mountain and given the people of Israel God's 10 commandment law.

What Jesus has fulfilled is the ending of the sacrifices. Why you don't go and read the book of Hebrews? Isn't it in your Bible? Read it completely so that you can understand what was nailed on the cross.

 

[Pipiripi]

Law divides human behavior into right and wrong, and good and evil. Law is connected to the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden. This tree was occupied by Satan. This tree was not to be eaten of. Law is connected to original sin.

Law is a unique form of neural memory. It is not found in nature. Law of good and evil creates a polarization within the human mind that is not natural. Law is like a two sided coin with one side labeled good and the other sided label evil. If we flip a coin, when it land we can only see one side at a time. The other side remains part of the coin but is hidden.

With law even if you do good, the bad side of the coin is still part of the law memory. We need to know both sides to do good and avoid evil. One side becomes hidden causing evil to become unconscious. This is why the self righteous, who outwardly obey the law, can become cruel and intolerant; unconscious compulsion from the hidden flip side of the coin. Law is not natural.

Law was useful in terms of helping humans develop will power and choice. One can use law to learn to choose which side of the law coin will be up, good or evil. However, since this two sided coins perpetuates knowledge of both good and evil and that other side becomes unconscious, evil can be spawned from good; ends justified the means.. For example, the spying on Trump Campaign in 2016 is still justified as good by the left and media even though spying was illegal and therefore evil by the law. The confusion between conscious and unconscious choices; two sided coin, can mess with the mind.

Jesus saw this polarization caused by the tree of knowledge and Satan. The unconscious dark side caused the Pharisees to condemn an innocent man in the name of law. Jesus taught faith instead of law. Faith is similar to animal instinct where the animal acts on impulse, without needing to assess good and evil based on cultural norms. This approach is the tree of life. Jesus is said it is not yes and no, but yes in him; psychological polarization is healed.

With the charisma of faith and the tree of life, decisions become very similar to the good side of the law, since nature is basically good. But there is no unconscious evil lurking below the threshold of consciousness created by law. Law was sort of a prosthesis to help create a contrasting scaffolding, so the good could be seen and understood. Jesus removed the prosthesis of evil; contrast, so only the good was left through faith. Law is not good, only the good side of law is good. Law is good and evil.

My friend I have understand your ehempel, but as we put the coin in front of a mirror we seen both. And that is exactly what we are. We see with our carnal eyes, and also our spiritual eyes. My friend very simple, if there is no law, there is no sin. So let's begin to steal, kill, idolatry, destroy because there is no law anymore. So it is over. We are free to do whatever we want. This is what Jesus death on the cross represents to us. This is the teaching today.

 

[Pipiripi]

Jesus says here in Matthew 5:17-18 that this law(the Law of Moses) is in effect "till heaven and earth pass away" ...

But in Matthew 24:35 Jesus says "heaven and earth will pass away but my words shall not pass away"

So you can set your hopes on this present earth or the one that is to come which is founded on something much more substantial. That is specifically that Jesus Christ Himself is the chief cornerstone and the "sure foundation" of a new heaven and a new earth. For all old things are passing away and vanishing. (Hebrews 8:13) And all things are made new in Jesus Christ. For heaven and earth will be burned up and the elements will melt when He returns.

So we consider the substance of our foundations. Jesus said "let the dead bury the dead" and so it is. And the angels asked "why do you seek for the living among the dead?"

And what is the "new Covenant"? It is this:

"Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light."

So Christians should consider themselves dead to this world. To this present heaven and this earth and they should consider themselves citizens (Ephesians 2:19) of the new Jerusalem and the new heaven and the new earth. For they are risen with Jesus Christ and sit in heavenly places with Him.

Because when Jesus rose from the dead that was when God laid that stone in Zion as He promised. "Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation:"

God also said:

But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

So He promised a day when He would make Jerusalem Himself and so it begins with the laying of that cornerstone: Jesus Christ.

And He promises to make all things new and so it begins in Jesus Christ. Who is firstborn from the dead. And the foundation of the new heaven and the new earth.

Revelation 21:5
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

So yes the words of Jesus Christ are faithful and true. As it is written purge out the "old leaven" for Christ our passover is already sacrificed for us! The supper is laid and He says "come and dine".

My friend is this earth and heaven has PASSED away? If not! Then Jesus says: " THINK NOT "
So, the whole other titles and verses are following this word of Jesus. From Matthew till Revelation Jesus WORD will STAND TILL THIS HEAVEN AND EARTH HAS PASSED AWAY. AND THE DAY AFTER THE 1000 YEARS MILLENNIUM, JESUS RETURNED TO EARTH TO DESTROY SATAN AND ALL THAT DOESN'T HAVE OBEY HIM. THIS PEOPLE BELONG TO GOD. REVELATION 12:17 REVELATION 14:12

 

[Deidre]

Jesus didn't put an end to God's law, He fulfilled it. He went on to say that people were no longer ''enslaved'' to the law, is my understanding.

 

[Pipiripi]

Jesus didn't put an end to God's law, He fulfilled it. He went on to say that people were no longer ''enslaved'' to the law, is my understanding.

I understand you, but what do you think about those verses?
Matthew 5:17-18.
Romans 8:4, 7. Read verse 1-7
Revelation 12:17, 14:12.
There are more, but begin to think about those. Those writings are after Jesus was taken in heaven.

People was never enslaved to the law. God Ten Commandments are Commandments of Love. Read Romans 7:7-11

 

[Deidre]

I understand you, but what do you think about those verses?
Matthew 5:17-18.
Romans 8:4, 7. Read verse 1-7
Revelation 12:17, 14:12.
There are more, but begin to think about those. Those writings are after Jesus was taken in heaven.

I'll look them over and will reply tomorrow.

 

[Pipiripi]

When people cannot accept what the Bible says, they became angry. Even if they read it a thousand times, they keep ignoring Jesus call: "THINK NOT"
because they are living by the flesh not the Spirit.
Romans 8:1-15.

 

[74x12]

Yes, No sin in Heaven, yes, Heaven is God's home

Sin began in heaven according to my belief.

My friend is this earth and heaven has PASSED away? If not! Then Jesus says: " THINK NOT "

The earth and heaven have passed away for those who are in the body of Jesus Christ. All things are become new. It's just what the Bible says.

2 Cor. 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

You're either part of this present world or part of the one to come.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Sin began in heaven according to my belief.
The earth and heaven have passed away for those who are in the body of Jesus Christ. All things are become new. It's just what the Bible says.
2 Cor. 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
You're either part of this present world or part of the one to come.

I find in Scripture: sin began in the Garden of Eden on Earth. The first sin ( first lie ) took place on Eden - Genesis 3:4
Earth abides forever - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B
So what will pass away is the former heavens ( governing heavens over mankind ) and corrupted earthly society. - Isaiah 65:17
Yes, under Christ all will be NEW - 2 Peter 3:13 - a righteous new world- Isaiah 65:21-25

The present world ( 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13) is coming to an end when Jesus separates people -> Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
The figurative humble ' sheep ' can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth and be here to see calendar Day One of Jesus' governing over Earth for a thousand years - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.