(Christians only) Did Jesus Dead on the Cross has Put an End to God's Law?

[URAVIP2ME]

If Jesus weren't passive then the whole universe would be murdered. If God created hurt, then he created his own suffering and he could have bad karma for this.

Jesus is Not passive but actively taught about God's kingdom (Luke 4:43) and instructed his followers to also Not be passive about it - Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
Jesus is Commander in Chief (Hail to the Chief!) of angelic armies - please see Revelation 19:14-16.

Satan brought hurt to this world of suffering.
Satan, Not God, who challenges all of us - Job 2:4-5
Touch our ' flesh..... ' (loose physical health) and we would Not serve God under adverse conditions.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Jesus is Not passive but actively taught about God's kingdom (Luke 4:43) and instructed his followers to also Not be passive about it - Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
Jesus is Commander in Chief (Hail to the Chief!) of angelic armies - please see Revelation 19:14-16.

Satan brought hurt to this world of suffering.
Satan, Not God, who challenges all of us - Job 2:4-5
Touch our ' flesh..... ' (loose physical health) and we would Not serve God under adverse conditions.

You do realize the sin of man was knowledge of good and evil that implys war, violence, and hate, Jesus gives non-resistence, then in revelation it speaks of a horse who conquers just to conquer, and finally it ends with armageddon the meeting place of the finally battle between good and evil.

 

[Deidre]

I understand you, but what do you think about those verses?
Matthew 5:17-18.
Romans 8:4, 7. Read verse 1-7
Revelation 12:17, 14:12.
There are more, but begin to think about those. Those writings are after Jesus was taken in heaven.

People was never enslaved to the law. God Ten Commandments are Commandments of Love. Read Romans 7:7-11

Okay, I'm back.

In summary, it means that we are not obligated by law, rather we follow God's commandments (now) out of love, and that love "covenant" came from the fulfillment by Jesus. If we only do things out of obligation, which many Pharisees did, what does that mean for one's relationship with God? From a Biblical perspective, when one follows Jesus, following ''the law'' is born from love. Jesus is that mediator so to speak, between God and man. This is of course if your faith is about following Jesus, which mine is.

So, the ''law'' is fulfilled by Jesus, through Jesus...and we take part in that when we follow Him. The law isn't destroyed, Jesus didn't come to destroy the law, rather fulfill it (so following God's commandments are done with new intentions, driven by love, not obligation) This is how I understand it.

Jesus died for sinners, out of love. His entire message has to do with love, really.

 

[Pipiripi]

Okay, I'm back.

In summary, it means that we are not obligated by law, rather we follow God's commandments (now) out of love, and that love "covenant" came from the fulfillment by Jesus. If we only do things out of obligation, which many Pharisees did, what does that mean for one's relationship with God? From a Biblical perspective, when one follows Jesus, following ''the law'' is born from love. Jesus is that mediator so to speak, between God and man. This is of course if your faith is about following Jesus, which mine is.

So, the ''law'' is fulfilled by Jesus, through Jesus...and we take part in that when we follow Him. The law isn't destroyed, Jesus didn't come to destroy the law, rather fulfill it (so following God's commandments are done with new intentions, driven by love, not obligation) This is how I understand it.

Jesus died for sinners, out of love. His entire message has to do with love, really.

Yes, Jesus has shown us how we must keep the 10 Commandments. Just the same way He did it. John 15:10. I have seen that you are open to follow only the Bible. Go here and take a look. Let me know what you think. end-times-prophecy.org.

 

[Faithofchristian]

What Jesus has fulfilled is the ending of the sacrifices. Why you don't go and read the book of Hebrews? Isn't it in your Bible? Read it completely so that you can understand what was nailed on the cross.

Why do I need to read the book of Hebrews when it's totally evidence what Jesus is speaking about in Matthew 5:1-19.

In verses 3-16 Jesus given what is called the beatitudes.
And then in verse 19, Jesus saying.
( Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments)

What least commandments..
The ones Jesus just given back in
Verses 3-16..
These being the law of the kingdom of heaven.

 

[DPMartin]

The majority of Christians denominations thinking that Jesus dead on the cross has put an end to the Father God Law. Is this true? Is this teaching BIBLICAL?

not according to Paul:
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Muffled]

The majority of Christians denominations thinking that Jesus dead on the cross has put an end to the Father God Law. Is this true? Is this teaching BIBLICAL?

I believe Jesus said that He is the fulfillment of God's law. It is not the cross that eliminates the law but it is receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior that does that. So the bottom line is that I don't need a law book because I have the law living in me.

 

[Muffled]

This should have been put into same faith debates with "Christians only " put into the topic. Otherwise its inviting everybody to pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey. Another option is Biblical Debates which confines the arguments to canon.

I believe I now understand why the Ba'hai guy was allowed to muddy the picture. It was before this was transferred into same faith debates.

 

[Muffled]

@Pipiripi, 8 posts in a row is not debate, its pollution.

I believe we can excuse him because it is his post and he is answering those who responded. If his posts were not responses, you would have a point.

 

[Pipiripi]

I believe Jesus said that He is the fulfillment of God's law. It is not the cross that eliminates the law but it is receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior that does that. So the bottom line is that I don't need a law book because I have the law living in me.

If a law that are living in you suppose to have control over your system. So are you keeping the 10 Commandments in you?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You do realize the sin of man was knowledge of good and evil that implys war, violence, and hate, Jesus gives non-resistence, then in revelation it speaks of a horse who conquers just to conquer, and finally it ends with armageddon the meeting place of the finally battle between good and evil.

By Adam breaking God's Law was as if Adam was taking the Law out of God's hands and putting the Law into man's hands as the best way to govern.
Adam set up People Rule as being superior to God Rule.
MAN's long istory shows that MAN has dominated MAN to MAN's hurt, MAN's injury.
Or, as Jeremiah 10:23 says that man can't direst his step, so God is going to have Jesus step in to establish Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

Yes, Jesus gives non-violence ( Vengeance is God's....) because at Armageddon *( final war to end all wars - Psalms 46:9) Jesus, as King of God's Kingdom, (Daniel 2:44) does the fighting with ' angelic armies ' according to Revelation 19:14-16. ( Armageddon is Not a literal meeting place )
Just as the first-century followers of Christ did Not take up arms, so too with today's Christians. Please see 2 Corinthians 10:4; 2Corinthians 5:7

 

[URAVIP2ME]

not according to Paul:
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I wonder why you did Not post Romans 10:4 _____________
I wonder why you did Not post Romans 7:6 _________
I find what Jesus said at Matthew 5:17 that he (Jesus) came to fulfill the Law.
I find by Jesus' death he abolished those Mosaic decrees as per Ephesians 2:15, and any comment about Colossians 2:13-14_______________
I find the temporary Constitution of the old Mosaic Law for the nation of ancient Israel was simply leading us, or bringing us to Christ - Galatians 3:24

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, Jesus has shown us how we must keep the 10 Commandments. Just the same way He did it. John 15:10. I have seen that you are open to follow only the Bible. Go here and take a look. Let me know what you think. end-times-prophecy.org.

Huh, I find the 10 commandments are just the first ten of over 600 Mosaic laws to be kept by ancient Israel.
The temporary law ended for Christians at Pentecost when the Christian congregation was formed. - Acts chapter 2
This is why Peter speaks of the Christian congregation as a ' spiritual nation ' and Not as a fleshly nation or a national nation on any map - 2 Peter 2:9,5

 

[Pipiripi]

Huh, I find the 10 commandments are just the first ten of over 600 Mosaic laws to be kept by ancient Israel.
The temporary law ended for Christians at Pentecost when the Christian congregation was formed. - Acts chapter 2
This is why Peter speaks of the Christian congregation as a ' spiritual nation ' and Not as a fleshly nation or a national nation on any map - 2 Peter 2:9,5

I understand why that you believe so, what about when Paul himself say otherwise!!
Read Romans 7:7-12

 

[Pipiripi]

I wonder why you did Not post Romans 10:4 _____________
I wonder why you did Not post Romans 7:6 _________
I find what Jesus said at Matthew 5:17 that he (Jesus) came to fulfill the Law.
I find by Jesus' death he abolished those Mosaic decrees as per Ephesians 2:15, and any comment about Colossians 2:13-14_______________
I find the temporary Constitution of the old Mosaic Law for the nation of ancient Israel was simply leading us, or bringing us to Christ - Galatians 3:24

And also Romans 7:7-12

 

[Muffled]

If a law that are living in you suppose to have control over your system. So are you keeping the 10 Commandments in you?

I believe Jesus in me is doing that and more.

 

[Pipiripi]

I believe Jesus in me is doing that and more.

Jesus in you by my teaching is the Holy Spirit. If Jesus is in you then you are going to church on Saturday (Sabbath). Because as Jesus costume He was in the Synagogue all Sabbath, by keeping God's Commandments.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

................ If Jesus is in you then you are going to church on Saturday (Sabbath). Because as Jesus costume He was in the Synagogue all Sabbath, by keeping God's Commandments.

I find before his death Jesus was under the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law for ancient Israel.
Jesus did say he came to fulfill that Law at Matthew 5:17.
Fulfill brings to mind a contract:
For example:
A builder fulfills a contract to complete a building.
Not by ripping up the contract but by finishing the building.
Once the work is completed the contract is fulfilled and there is No further obligation on the builder's part.
Likewise, Jesus did Not break or rip up the Law but rather fulfilled the Law by keeping it perfectly until fulfilled by his faithful death.- Ephesians 2:20-22
Thus, because of Christ's sacrifice that old Law (aka contract) is No longer binding on Christians.
No longer binding as brought out a Colossians 2:14-17.
That change is because Christians are under a New Law: the ' Law of Christ ' as per Galatians 6:2

 

[Pipiripi]

I find before his death Jesus was under the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law for ancient Israel.
Jesus did say he came to fulfill that Law at Matthew 5:17.
Fulfill brings to mind a contract:
For example:
A builder fulfills a contract to complete a building.
Not by ripping up the contract but by finishing the building.
Once the work is completed the contract is fulfilled and there is No further obligation on the builder's part.
Likewise, Jesus did Not break or rip up the Law but rather fulfilled the Law by keeping it perfectly until fulfilled by his faithful death.- Ephesians 2:20-22
Thus, because of Christ's sacrifice that old Law (aka contract) is No longer binding on Christians.
No longer binding as brought out a Colossians 2:14-17.
That change is because Christians are under a New Law: the ' Law of Christ ' as per Galatians 6:2

The work shall fulfill till the end of the world. Does this world has PASSED away? Look at verse 20. Did Jesus says to them till I die on the cross?
Don't stop at Matthew 15:17. You must read Matthew 5:17-20. And focused on verse 18.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The work shall fulfill till the end of the world. Does this world has PASSED away? Look at verse 20. Did Jesus says to them till I die on the cross? Don't stop at Matthew 15:17. You must read Matthew 5:17-20. And focused on verse 18.

Jesus does have HIGH standards for his followers. It is the Jewish religious leaders who wrongly view Jesus as transgressing the Law.
This is why they conspire to kill Jesus.
At Matthew 5:17 Jesus tells them he came Not to destroy the Law but to fulfill the Law, and Jesus urged others to have the same regard - Matthew 5:19.
At Matthew 5:18 is Not about a literal Heaven and Earth passing away but Jesus was using what is called an hyperbole.
So, what Jesus was saying was equivalent to meaning ' never '. Never happen that Heaven and Earth be destroyed.- Ecclesiastes 1:4 B.
Thus, God's Word would be fulfilled through Jesus down to the smallest detail. - Isaiah 40:8
This is why Luke could write at Luke 16:17 that it would be easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for a letter of the Law to go unfulfilled.
Unless Jesus' followers would surpass the ' righteousness ' of the Pharisees they would Not enter into the kingdom of heaven - Matthew 5:20
Jesus pronounced MANY ' woes ' against those hypocritical Pharisees in the 23rd chapter of Matthew.- Matthew 15:7-9.
What work shall be fulfiied to the 'end of the world' ( this unrighteous system of things ) would be the international work of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
This is because God accepted Jesus' ransom sacrifice - Hebrews 9:24 - and why Romans 10:4 informs us that Jesus fulfilled the Law.
The Constitution of the Mosaic Law was only for one nation the nation of ancient Israel and could declare No one as righteous - Galatians 2:16
The 'Law of Christ' (Galatians 6:2 ) is for all peoples who want to be declared as righteous ones.
Any thoughts about Romans 3:20___________________