Christians: Whatare your views on the Rapture of the Christian Church?

[YeshuaRedeemed]

After more research, I have decided that futuristic post tribulationism is what makes ense to me. I want to present the four main pre millenial views for your research: Pre tribbers believe in an imminent rapture that happens before the seventieth weed of Daniel, midtribbers believe that the rapture happens at the abomination of desolation, prewrathers (I used to be prewrath) believe that the rapture happens after the opening of the sixth seal mentioned in the book of Revelation, and posttribbers like me believe that the rapture happens at the same time as the second coming of Jesus Christ (you can call Him Yeshua if you want). There is also a wide selection of other eschatological views, but I wanted to present the pre millennial prophetic views for your research and civil discource. I want to link you to Mark 13, which I believe to be the most important chapter on eschatology, found right here: Mark 13:1 (KJV) Remember that eschatology is not a salvation issue, and I am humbly asking that everyone (including me) please keep it divil. I love you all, and look forward to our discussion.

 

[PureX]

Like most other Christians, I believe the 'rapture' idea is a lot of fantastic nonsense dreamt up by people who don't know how to interpret mythical, symbolic, and coded religious texts, and who want to presume that they are more righteous and special in the eyes of God than everyone else.

 

[sooda]

Like most other Christians, I believe the 'rapture' idea is a lot of fantastic nonsense dreamt up by people who don't know how to interpret mythical, symbolic, and coded religious texts, and who want to presume that they are more righteous and special in the eyes of God than everyone else.

Futurism is Jesuit in origins.. later promoted by Darby, Scofield and Hal Lindsey .. Its bunk.

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

Futurism is Jesuit in origins.. later promoted by Darby, Scofield and Hal Lindsey .. Its bunk.

No it isn't.

 

[sooda]

No it isn't.

Where did yo think it came from ? People have been manipulating people with lies and false teaching since the time of the Exodus.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

If an ex-Christian may be allowed a comment, I'd never even heard of the Rapture untill I met the idea in places like this — the idea is not mentioned in any Anglican, Catholic, or Orthodox books I've read.

PS The OP's reference to "tribbers" and "rapture" made me realise that we've watched rather different sorts of videos…

 

[sooda]

If an ex-Christian may be allowed a comment, I'd never even heard of the Rapture untill I met the idea in places like this — the idea is not mentioned in any Anglican, Catholic, or Orthodox books I've read.

PS The OP's reference to "tribbers" and "rapture" made me realise that we've watched rather different sorts of videos…

I'd never heard of it either and I have a thousand hours of Protestant Sunday School and Church.

Futurism was brought to us by Francisco Ribera (1537-1591), a Jesuit priest and doctor of theology from Spain.

The Church had gotten fat and sloppy and along comes Luther who made just as many mistakes and accuses the Catholic Church of being the antichrist and the Beast of Revelation and the Whore of Babylon... Enter Francisco Ribera..

John Nelson Darby further elaborated on Ribera's claims by inventing a secret rapture …

 

[WalterTrull]

Ehh... doesn't make much ense to me.

 

[Cooky]

Futurism is Jesuit in origins.. later promoted by Darby, Scofield and Hal Lindsey .. Its bunk.

Why is it "jesuit" in origin?

 

[sooda]

Why is it "jesuit" in origin?

Because it was invented by Francisco Ribera (1537–1591) a Spanish Jesuit theologian who wrote the Futurist Christian eschatological view.

Later it was picked up by Darby, Scofield, Dallas Theological Seminary and Hal Lindsey.

 

[PureX]

If an ex-Christian may be allowed a comment, I'd never even heard of the Rapture untill I met the idea in places like this — the idea is not mentioned in any Anglican, Catholic, or Orthodox books I've read.

PS The OP's reference to "tribbers" and "rapture" made me realise that we've watched rather different sorts of videos…

I was raised Catholic, and the same is true for me. That's why I included the, "like most other Christians..." in my comment. These ideas are an aberration, and not the norm.

 

[Cooky]

Because it was invented by Francisco Ribera (1537–1591) a Spanish Jesuit theologian who wrote the Futurist Christian eschatological view.

Later it was picked up by Darby, Scofield, Dallas Theological Seminary and Hal Lindsey.

I see. Thanks.

Most Catholics I've met reject Riberas ideas on the subject. Typically we believe that a lot of these prophetic events already tool place during the time when the Jewish Zealots began killing moderate Jews.

 

[sooda]

I see. Thanks.

Most Catholics I've met reject Riberas ideas on the subject. Typically we believe that a lot of these prophetic events already tool place during the time when the Jewish Zealots began killing moderate Jews.

So do I.. I think it was a backlash to Martin Luther's claims that the Church was the Beast and the Whore of Babylon.. So much for the politics of religion.

 

[Faithofchristian]

After more research, I have decided that futuristic post tribulationism is what makes ense to me. I want to present the four main pre millenial views for your research: Pre tribbers believe in an imminent rapture that happens before the seventieth weed of Daniel, midtribbers believe that the rapture happens at the abomination of desolation, prewrathers (I used to be prewrath) believe that the rapture happens after the opening of the sixth seal mentioned in the book of Revelation, and posttribbers like me believe that the rapture happens at the same time as the second coming of Jesus Christ (you can call Him Yeshua if you want). There is also a wide selection of other eschatological views, but I wanted to present the pre millennial prophetic views for your research and civil discource. I want to link you to Mark 13, which I believe to be the most important chapter on eschatology, found right here: Mark 13:1 (KJV) Remember that eschatology is not a salvation issue, and I am humbly asking that everyone (including me) please keep it divil. I love you all, and look forward to our discussion.

What aot of people and Christians are not taught in their churches. Which they are being deceived and don't even know it.

In the book of Revelation, Christ Jesus gave the last Prophecy that is to happen.

That before Christ Jesus can return to rapture anyone, The last prophecy has to happen first

That when this last prophecy happens, the Tribulation is over. And then Christ Jesus returns. And not until the last Prophecy happens first.

So what good is the Rapture going to do, that by the time the Rapture is to happen the tribulation is over anyway.
And then Christ Jesus returns.

So in the book of Revelation Christ Jesus given the last Prophecy that is to happen, that Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens first.

When the last Prophecy happens, brings the end to the tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.

So again, what good is the Rapture going to do.seeing when the last Prophecy happens Tribulation is over. And then Christ Jesus returns.

I find it amazing how many people and Christians are being deceived into thinking

That the 6th seal, 6th Trump and 6th vial of Revelation pertains to Christ Jesus.

Stop and think about it,

The 6th seal, 6th Trump, 6th vial

Now if you add those numbers up,
You'll have 666. Which is the number of the beast in Revelation 13:17-18.

17--"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18--"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six"

666= The mark of the beast ( Satan)

Now in Revelation you'll find the
7th seal, 7th Trump, 7th vial

Which is 777 the number of Christ Jesus.
777 being his number of perfection.

And at the sounding of the 7th Trump is when Christ Jesus returns.

The 6th Trump is Satan being cast out of heaven to the earth.

 

[THE HOOD APOLOGIST]

PureX and sooda are exactly correct in their replies. There is no such thing as a secret rapture. Nowhere is this taught in Scripture. Christians believing this garbage are entertaining a false hope and are in for a rude awakening.

 

[sooda]

No it isn't.

Yeah it was unheard of until the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression... finally popularized by Hal Lindsey/

 

[sooda]

What aot of people and Christians are not taught in their churches. Which they are being deceived and don't even know it.

In the book of Revelation, Christ Jesus gave the last Prophecy that is to happen.

That before Christ Jesus can return to rapture anyone, The last prophecy has to happen first

That when this last prophecy happens, the Tribulation is over. And then Christ Jesus returns. And not until the last Prophecy happens first.

So what good is the Rapture going to do, that by the time the Rapture is to happen the tribulation is over anyway.
And then Christ Jesus returns.

So in the book of Revelation Christ Jesus given the last Prophecy that is to happen, that Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens first.

When the last Prophecy happens, brings the end to the tribulation and the return of Christ Jesus.

So again, what good is the Rapture going to do.seeing when the last Prophecy happens Tribulation is over. And then Christ Jesus returns.

I find it amazing how many people and Christians are being deceived into thinking

That the 6th seal, 6th Trump and 6th vial of Revelation pertains to Christ Jesus.

Stop and think about it,

The 6th seal, 6th Trump, 6th vial

Now if you add those numbers up,
You'll have 666. Which is the number of the beast in Revelation 13:17-18.

17--"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18--"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six"

666= The mark of the beast ( Satan)

Now in Revelation you'll find the
7th seal, 7th Trump, 7th vial

Which is 777 the number of Christ Jesus.
777 being his number of perfection.

And at the sounding of the 7th Trump is when Christ Jesus returns.

The 6th Trump is Satan being cast out of heaven to the earth.

The tribulation was over in 70 AD.. Jesus told his followers to avoid it and flee to Pella which they did.

Caesar is the beast 666.

 

[Faithofchristian]

PureX and sooda are exactly correct in their replies. There is no such thing as a secret rapture. Nowhere is this taught in Scripture. Christians believing this garbage are entertaining a false hope and are in for a rude awakening.

If I may say, your right.

Alot of Christians are being taught about a rapture all because their Pastors, Preaches have no clue or idea what the book of Revelation is about themselves.

Christ Jesus given in the book of Revelation the last Prophecy that is to happen, that when this last prophecy happens the tribulation is over and then Christ Jesus returns.

Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens first. By the time the last Prophecy happens, the tribulation is over.
So what good is the Rapture going to do, when the last Prophecy happens brings the end to the tribulation and then Christ Jesus returns and not until the last Prophecy happens first.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The tribulation was over in 70 AD.. Jesus told his followers to avoid it and flee to Pella which they did.

Caesar is the beast 666.

That is way ridiculous.
That just shows how much you haven't a clue or idea about the Tribulation or the book of Revelation.
But if that's what you want to believe go for it have a good trip in the process.

So do tell how did that tribulation in 70 AD effect the whole earth.

Now listen real close, What Christ Jesus said in the book of Matthew 24:21--"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"

So explain exactly how that tribulation in
70 AD that you spoke of effected the whole world?

 

[sooda]

That is way ridiculous.
That just shows how much you haven't a clue or idea about the Tribulation or the book of Revelation.
But if that's what you want to believe go for it have a good trip in the process.

Do you know what the Scofield heresy is?